From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: poffice@blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp Delivered-To: poffice@blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp Received: from kankan.nagaokaut.ac.jp (smtp.nagaokaut.ac.jp [133.44.2.24]) by blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCEC19E0059 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:53:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from voscc.nagaokaut.ac.jp (voscc.nagaokaut.ac.jp [133.44.1.100]) by kankan.nagaokaut.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F63B5D8A5 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:27:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from neon.ruby-lang.org (neon.ruby-lang.org [221.186.184.75]) by voscc.nagaokaut.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91A618CC7B9 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:27:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from [221.186.184.76] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by neon.ruby-lang.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8B2120602; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:27:43 +0900 (JST) X-Original-To: ruby-core@ruby-lang.org Delivered-To: ruby-core@ruby-lang.org Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by neon.ruby-lang.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76D4E1205D1 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:27:38 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id wb13so21860426obb.1 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:27:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Pzw+JOrkn4uEXkNxVQi3FAAl/mSMzS8OHvZm12+S6YU=; b=0waIolm5Ws4JU8EkUwsChNUV31RmYHPOfnki5bwlGBkL6wmKzyXqoMzlMxH3M81x5Y 4qF7u6apXcDyLJBPT65vz/50Lz6o2jJhxJxKNTiOC8l6jDWVZSfxGSG604OED4NxerQg vYel3r7cEPqAkLk3mlEPu+DVi5B3QVfYEA20DI1ohpMm6w6LhBwkIZCMdWmD0AsQqc5G xLgrlmjtTYS7y69CAys+tKc4GzV7PNBRVsls35bApRGDgkc2cwTPKUAaCDrXx28jDs5J QytH1LXjK9msM71SK8G+7hzutlumzV20z7Uvr90yy2/7x8Sbee/GOQEMge/DH0tRnrfe xwdQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Pzw+JOrkn4uEXkNxVQi3FAAl/mSMzS8OHvZm12+S6YU=; b=QPSvtrrA8yII+0SodRpI1/KqqkVJmXtBz5qxBEZHvisqwnbNy7j8diPfIcp8ntTofG /l+ekUNItMD+WOVv8SkQY9wDsWFMSdSqyCPCyNquXnVKOzEZ4666pg+/reFpuFX/XLeO lxvxYUsKDrITLBLgjnPCuntvGwuAHHm7M4UdnAghYmJ+1z/qGcSvct6OK2SrVR9wbw/b sI3dC7FX5WfkfGNS0y3fYUB+h/mzMXA35a0uKOHZYp2RPOxToBenjdJWQLPi8tJd+PEG JM7EeKAviWEn2BjS8DTDLNGRqCclU/NTrzaeex4Z6/i6qA5WioSq2bK75s9MOxWlwvOt /6Tg== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOR3xaLWQWpet75weyQOngatJDQxXASSUkdzfpKi+rmGSYRDohdmEFb47TVx/YsNsXbLRvJF1DhwmIHFXw== X-Received: by 10.60.62.243 with SMTP id b19mr5100575oes.28.1454045256362; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:27:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.48.17 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:27:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Austin Ziegler Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:27:16 -0500 Message-ID: To: Ruby developers X-ML-Name: ruby-core X-Mail-Count: 73568 Subject: [ruby-core:73568] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct X-BeenThere: ruby-core@ruby-lang.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ruby developers List-Id: Ruby developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1497001170==" Errors-To: ruby-core-bounces@ruby-lang.org Sender: "ruby-core" --===============1497001170== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c24ceefe3439052a724aa9 --001a11c24ceefe3439052a724aa9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andrew, please stop digging. Your hole is only getting deeper. 1. You are trying, once again, to derail the conversation with something (in this case, the =E2=80=9CNo Code of Conduct=E2=80=9D) that does not actu= ally address any of the *very real* problems we have seen presented in the last two weeks. 2. You cited a known hate-monger, Theodore Beale. Mr Beale (aka =E2=80=9CV= ox Day=E2=80=9D) has the dubious distinction of being the only person kicked out of the SFWA for abuse of an SFWA platform to spread a racist, misogynistic message about another SFWA author. All of this weakens any argument you might actually have. (If you doubt me, read PZ Meyers on Beale.) It is possible to believe that a CoC is not necessary and argue so fairly rationally (as Robert Klemme has done). It is not possible to do so while repeating and spreading the sort of message that Beale promotes. It is not possible to do so while saying that this is all the fault of =E2=80=9Cthe S= JWs=E2=80=9D who want to take over Ruby from Matz and others. These are dark and emotional arguments that cause great amounts of pain unnecessarily. Over the last two weeks, there have been posts by people=E2=80=94mostly, bu= t not exclusively, trolls=E2=80=94who have demonstrated quite clearly that they *= aren=E2=80=99t* adults and don=E2=80=99t know how to treat others without being racist, exclusionary, or just plain asinine. This behaviour *clearly* says that MINASWAN *isn=E2=80=99t* enough. I wish it were, but it clearly isn=E2=80= =99t. :( On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 2:38 PM, wrote: > Issue #12004 has been updated by Andrew Kirilenko. > > > Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote: > > OK, that's enough. > > > > We will set up some form of CoC in the future. Let me think for a while > which one we are going to choose. > > > > Matz. > > What about this one > https://github.com/domgetter/NCoC/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md > > Also, if any of you are not sure what's going on and who are all these > nice people, please read > http://www.voxday.net/mart/SJW_Attack_Survival_Guide.pdf > > ---------------------------------------- > Misc #12004: Code of Conduct > https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12004#change-56767 > > * Author: Coraline Ada Ehmke > * Status: Assigned > * Priority: Normal > * Assignee: Yukihiro Matsumoto > ---------------------------------------- > I am the creator of the Contributor Covenant, a code of conduct for Open > Source projects. At last count there are over 13,000 projects on Github > that have adopted it. This past year saw adoption of Contributor Covenant > by a lot of very large, very visible projects, including Rails, Github's > Atom text editor, Angular JS, bundler, curl, diaspora, discourse, Eclipse= , > rspec, shoes, and rvm. The bundler team made code of conduct integration = an > option in the gem creation workflow, putting it on par with license > selection. Many open source language communities have already adopted the > code of conduct, including Elixir, Mono, the .NET foundation, F#, and > Apple's Swift. RubyTogether also adopted a policy to only fund Ruby > projects that had a solid code of conduct in place. > > Right now in the PHP community there is a healthy debate about adopting > the Contributor Covenant. Since it came from and has been so widely adopt= ed > by the Ruby community at large, I think it's time that we consider adopti= ng > it for the core Ruby language as well. > > Our community prides itself on niceness. What a code of conduct does is > define what we mean by nice. It states clearly that we value openness, > courtesy, and compassion. That we care about and want contributions from > people who may be different from us. That we pledge to respect all > contributors regardless of their race, gender, sexual orientation, or oth= er > factors. And it makes it clear that we are prepared to follow through on > these values with action when and if an incident arises. > > I'm asking that we join with the larger Ruby community in supporting the > adoption of the Contributor Covenant for the Ruby language. I think that > this will be an important step forward and will ensure the continued > welcoming and supportive environment around Ruby. You can read the full > text of the Contributor Covenant at > http://contributor-covenant.org/version/1/3/0/ and learn more at > http://contributor-covenant.org/. > > Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to hearing your thoughts= . > > > ---Files-------------------------------- > Screen Shot 2016-01-22 at 6.45.23 PM.png (595 KB) > Ruby_Code_of_Conduct_Numbers.png (119 KB) > Ruby_Code_of_Conduct_Discussion.png (143 KB) > > > -- > https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/ > > Unsubscribe: > > --=20 Austin Ziegler =E2=80=A2 halostatue@gmail.com =E2=80=A2 austin@halostatue.c= a http://www.halostatue.ca/ =E2=80=A2 http://twitter.com/halostatue --001a11c24ceefe3439052a724aa9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andrew, please stop digging. Your hole is only getting dee= per.

1. You are trying, once again, to derail the conver= sation with something (in this case, the =E2=80=9CNo Code of Conduct=E2=80= =9D) that does not actually address any of the *very real* problems we have= seen presented in the last two weeks.

2.=C2=A0 Yo= u cited a known hate-monger, Theodore Beale. Mr Beale (aka =E2=80=9CVox Day= =E2=80=9D) has the dubious distinction of being the only person kicked out = of the SFWA for abuse of an SFWA platform to spread a racist, misogynistic = message about another SFWA author. All of this weakens any argument you mig= ht actually have. (If you doubt me, read PZ Meyers on Beale.)

It is possible to believe that a CoC is not necessary and = argue so fairly rationally (as Robert Klemme has done). It is not possible = to do so while repeating and spreading the sort of message that Beale promo= tes. It is not possible to do so while saying that this is all the fault of= =E2=80=9Cthe SJWs=E2=80=9D who want to take over Ruby from Matz and others= . These are dark and emotional arguments that cause great amounts of pain u= nnecessarily.

Over the last two weeks, there= have been posts by people=E2=80=94mostly, but not exclusively, trolls=E2= =80=94who have demonstrated quite clearly that they *aren=E2=80=99t* adults= and don=E2=80=99t know how to treat others without being racist, exclusion= ary, or just plain asinine. This behaviour *clearly* says that MINASWAN *is= n=E2=80=99t* enough. I wish it were, but it clearly isn=E2=80=99t. :(
=

On Thu, Jan= 28, 2016 at 2:38 PM, <andrew.kirilenko@gmail.com>= wrote:
Issue #12004 has been updated by = Andrew Kirilenko.


Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
> OK, that's enough.
>
> We will set up some form of CoC in the future. Let me think for a whil= e which one we are going to choose.
>
> Matz.

What about this one https://g= ithub.com/domgetter/NCoC/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md

Also, if any of you are not sure what's going on and who are all these = nice people, please read http://www.voxday.n= et/mart/SJW_Attack_Survival_Guide.pdf

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Misc #12004: Code of Conduct
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12004#c= hange-56767

* Author: Coraline Ada Ehmke
* Status: Assigned
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: Yukihiro Matsumoto
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I am the creator of the Contributor Covenant, a code of conduct for Open So= urce projects. At last count there are over 13,000 projects on Github that = have adopted it. This past year saw adoption of Contributor Covenant by a l= ot of very large, very visible projects, including Rails, Github's Atom= text editor, Angular JS, bundler, curl, diaspora, discourse, Eclipse, rspe= c, shoes, and rvm. The bundler team made code of conduct integration an opt= ion in the gem creation workflow, putting it on par with license selection.= Many open source language communities have already adopted the code of con= duct, including Elixir, Mono, the .NET foundation, F#, and Apple's Swif= t. RubyTogether also adopted a policy to only fund Ruby projects that had a= solid code of conduct in place.

Right now in the PHP community there is a healthy debate about adopting the= Contributor Covenant. Since it came from and has been so widely adopted by= the Ruby community at large, I think it's time that we consider adopti= ng it for the core Ruby language as well.

Our community prides itself on niceness. What a code of conduct does is def= ine what we mean by nice. It states clearly that we value openness, courtes= y, and compassion. That we care about and want contributions from people wh= o may be different from us. That we pledge to respect all contributors rega= rdless of their race, gender, sexual orientation, or other factors. And it = makes it clear that we are prepared to follow through on these values with = action when and if an incident arises.

I'm asking that we join with the larger Ruby community in supporting th= e adoption of the Contributor Covenant for the Ruby language. I think that = this will be an important step forward and will ensure the continued welcom= ing and supportive environment around Ruby. You can read the full text of t= he Contributor Covenant at http://contributor-covenant= .org/version/1/3/0/ and learn more at http://contributor-covenan= t.org/.

Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to hearing your thoughts.<= br>

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