From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: poffice@blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp Delivered-To: poffice@blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp Received: from kankan.nagaokaut.ac.jp (smtp.nagaokaut.ac.jp [133.44.2.24]) by blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D1519E0043 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 06:19:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from voscc.nagaokaut.ac.jp (voscc.nagaokaut.ac.jp [133.44.1.100]) by kankan.nagaokaut.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61923B5D82F for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 06:53:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from neon.ruby-lang.org (neon.ruby-lang.org [221.186.184.75]) by voscc.nagaokaut.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDCC18CC7B8 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 06:53:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from [221.186.184.76] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by neon.ruby-lang.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A79C120450; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 06:53:54 +0900 (JST) X-Original-To: ruby-core@ruby-lang.org Delivered-To: ruby-core@ruby-lang.org Received: from mail-ig0-f176.google.com (mail-ig0-f176.google.com [209.85.213.176]) by neon.ruby-lang.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32002120420 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 06:53:48 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail-ig0-f176.google.com with SMTP id mw1so61945082igb.1 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:53:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nN5CvM0EeqNBXnkrihRHoidwP/b4oRXWjZCsax6wkZc=; b=pe6UWCO5xte189izDGp033NAo4hIoOVGt77gsZZ0gnJFZT9U6tgIXgNoON5zX4CEDK kHDOCth80xYREyEe4MMwNz9fybkTMD31hjr0HQic5XRPpTEEaKIwUeoa/9BuB3FfDBYl CAFF3tOdmkz/ZBoTsgRKZBhNv+xqyBHuDivTIJ1k6UGIY+JOuYGXKCnPliwjzMmes1TT 78VyRPHMmZijmcpA07pmc46+IYcLXut+V/mfn8PHZTGbesg24KHuFdSH6ghtPfBcqsTY I2mws5J2vTAfr/1kb+Vr+zcdhS0458+jNauCWjje12SNKgwTCvuNuKez7tHJJ4NntIWY WVQg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nN5CvM0EeqNBXnkrihRHoidwP/b4oRXWjZCsax6wkZc=; b=OKMoz8t0BP7bymgxcW6/TnmRXVFk96jsqF75Opbwsz9EJr0I3nUXR1pHW44AAIuVOv RddT34opRyWTMs01whiWKn0sCcw20VKMpr2UvJINZsnNg/wI6qEVRaBp6mYpBgwVqEfb IS4OzZUBWW//5pQJR2WLDZ7QT/LELDEkeBB18+uubg+gWduX2xpOvXL0l+vvu543MB+f hXqjJxl3aci7OgCLJrW4ft6/Z5z/LpokhUQMenJrxhs8mKpOOpD2QFFwel4UxyVtJah2 wx9tMM5uqUIeMfR7rRhFm6O/Pu4QQKfIMt/DlM+WBio5UwGjyWmI66FO1nR6ymjrI6ua upfg== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOTlMYKcbNhqEDFDi/9M4smHSRr2sCQEiixQ9eaSixu/CI87oE+Pb0rlp1ZQ1MbvHZPioADREBlVx0b99w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.36.35 with SMTP id n3mr10452365igj.73.1453845226151; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:53:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.121.21 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.121.21 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:53:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:53:45 -0800 Message-ID: From: Brandon Weaver To: Ruby developers X-ML-Name: ruby-core X-Mail-Count: 73494 Subject: [ruby-core:73494] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct X-BeenThere: ruby-core@ruby-lang.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ruby developers List-Id: Ruby developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0632052520==" Errors-To: ruby-core-bounces@ruby-lang.org Sender: "ruby-core" --===============0632052520== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011609744364d5052a43b8d0 --089e011609744364d5052a43b8d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Coraline is a panelist on Ruby rogues and a very well respected member of the community. To say she's not an engineer is downright false. The proponents of this are engineers whose names I (for the most part) recognize. Are there some who may not be? The same can be said of the other side. Let's not degrade this into a posturing contest of what a true engineer is. In fact, that's one of the exact problems we should seek to avoid. On Jan 26, 2016 1:10 PM, "Andrew Kirilenko" wrote: > They will never provide any numbers because they are not engineers and > they can't even fetch them. > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:05 AM, wrote: > >> Issue #12004 has been updated by Chuck Remes. >> >> >> #433 Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene wrote: >> Done. See: Backlog. >> >> No. NOT done. I've read this entire thread and I haven't seen any >> proponent of a CoC provide a single, solid shred of evidence that a CoC >> will improve the project. There have been plenty of heated opinions flying >> around but very little data. >> >> For it to make sense for the Core team to take on MORE WORK, there should >> be a DEFINED BENEFIT for that choice. And it should be MEASURABLE. We >> apparently have over a dozen projects that have adopted a CoC so there >> should be plenty of data available to make this case. >> >> If you think this Is "done" and has been answered, then I look forward to >> your list of message numbers that lay out this proof. >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> Misc #12004: Code of Conduct >> https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12004#change-56712 >> >> * Author: Coraline Ada Ehmke >> * Status: Assigned >> * Priority: Normal >> * Assignee: Yukihiro Matsumoto >> ---------------------------------------- >> I am the creator of the Contributor Covenant, a code of conduct for Open >> Source projects. At last count there are over 13,000 projects on Github >> that have adopted it. This past year saw adoption of Contributor Covenant >> by a lot of very large, very visible projects, including Rails, Github's >> Atom text editor, Angular JS, bundler, curl, diaspora, discourse, Eclipse, >> rspec, shoes, and rvm. The bundler team made code of conduct integration an >> option in the gem creation workflow, putting it on par with license >> selection. Many open source language communities have already adopted the >> code of conduct, including Elixir, Mono, the .NET foundation, F#, and >> Apple's Swift. RubyTogether also adopted a policy to only fund Ruby >> projects that had a solid code of conduct in place. >> >> Right now in the PHP community there is a healthy debate about adopting >> the Contributor Covenant. Since it came from and has been so widely adopted >> by the Ruby community at large, I think it's time that we consider adopting >> it for the core Ruby language as well. >> >> Our community prides itself on niceness. What a code of conduct does is >> define what we mean by nice. It states clearly that we value openness, >> courtesy, and compassion. That we care about and want contributions from >> people who may be different from us. That we pledge to respect all >> contributors regardless of their race, gender, sexual orientation, or other >> factors. And it makes it clear that we are prepared to follow through on >> these values with action when and if an incident arises. >> >> I'm asking that we join with the larger Ruby community in supporting the >> adoption of the Contributor Covenant for the Ruby language. I think that >> this will be an important step forward and will ensure the continued >> welcoming and supportive environment around Ruby. You can read the full >> text of the Contributor Covenant at >> http://contributor-covenant.org/version/1/3/0/ and learn more at >> http://contributor-covenant.org/. >> >> Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to hearing your thoughts. >> >> >> ---Files-------------------------------- >> Screen Shot 2016-01-22 at 6.45.23 PM.png (595 KB) >> Ruby_Code_of_Conduct_Numbers.png (119 KB) >> Ruby_Code_of_Conduct_Discussion.png (143 KB) >> >> >> -- >> https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/ >> >> Unsubscribe: >> >> > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > --089e011609744364d5052a43b8d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Coraline is a panelist on Ruby rogues and a very well respec= ted member of the community. To say she's not an engineer is downright = false. The proponents of this are engineers whose names I (for the most par= t) recognize. Are there some who may not be? The same can be said of the ot= her side.

Let's not degrade this into a posturing contest of what = a true engineer is. In fact, that's one of the exact problems we should= seek to avoid.

On Jan 26, 2016 1:10 PM, "Andrew Kirilenko&= quot; <andrew.kirilenko@gm= ail.com> wrote:
They will never provide any numbers because they are no= t engineers and they can't even fetch them.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:05 AM, <g= it@chuckremes.com> wrote:
I= ssue #12004 has been updated by Chuck Remes.


#433 Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene wrote:
<i>Done. See: Backlog.</i>

No. NOT done. I've read this entire thread and I haven't seen any p= roponent of a CoC provide a single, solid shred of evidence that a CoC will= improve the project. There have been plenty of heated opinions flying arou= nd but very little data.

For it to make sense for the Core team to take on MORE WORK, there should b= e a DEFINED BENEFIT for that choice. And it should be MEASURABLE. We appare= ntly have over a dozen projects that have adopted a CoC so there should be = plenty of data available to make this case.

If you think this Is "done" and has been answered, then I look fo= rward to your list of message numbers that lay out this proof.

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Misc #12004: Code of Conduct
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12004#c= hange-56712

* Author: Coraline Ada Ehmke
* Status: Assigned
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: Yukihiro Matsumoto
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I am the creator of the Contributor Covenant, a code of conduct for Open So= urce projects. At last count there are over 13,000 projects on Github that = have adopted it. This past year saw adoption of Contributor Covenant by a l= ot of very large, very visible projects, including Rails, Github's Atom= text editor, Angular JS, bundler, curl, diaspora, discourse, Eclipse, rspe= c, shoes, and rvm. The bundler team made code of conduct integration an opt= ion in the gem creation workflow, putting it on par with license selection.= Many open source language communities have already adopted the code of con= duct, including Elixir, Mono, the .NET foundation, F#, and Apple's Swif= t. RubyTogether also adopted a policy to only fund Ruby projects that had a= solid code of conduct in place.

Right now in the PHP community there is a healthy debate about adopting the= Contributor Covenant. Since it came from and has been so widely adopted by= the Ruby community at large, I think it's time that we consider adopti= ng it for the core Ruby language as well.

Our community prides itself on niceness. What a code of conduct does is def= ine what we mean by nice. It states clearly that we value openness, courtes= y, and compassion. That we care about and want contributions from people wh= o may be different from us. That we pledge to respect all contributors rega= rdless of their race, gender, sexual orientation, or other factors. And it = makes it clear that we are prepared to follow through on these values with = action when and if an incident arises.

I'm asking that we join with the larger Ruby community in supporting th= e adoption of the Contributor Covenant for the Ruby language. I think that = this will be an important step forward and will ensure the continued welcom= ing and supportive environment around Ruby. You can read the full text of t= he Contributor Covenant at http://contributor-covenant= .org/version/1/3/0/ and learn more at http://contributor-covenan= t.org/.

Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to hearing your thoughts.<= br>

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