From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS4713 221.184.0.0/13 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from neon.ruby-lang.org (neon.ruby-lang.org [221.186.184.75]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5505E1F404 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 17:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from neon.ruby-lang.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by neon.ruby-lang.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5147C120A50; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 02:10:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from dcvr.yhbt.net (dcvr.yhbt.net [64.71.152.64]) by neon.ruby-lang.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CE07120A4F for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 02:10:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (dcvr.yhbt.net [127.0.0.1]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9554B1FADF; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 17:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 17:10:42 +0000 From: Eric Wong To: ruby-core@ruby-lang.org Message-ID: <20180123171042.GA14355@starla> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-ML-Name: ruby-core X-Mail-Count: 85011 Subject: [ruby-core:85011] Re: [Ruby trunk Feature#14385] Deprecate back-tick for Ruby 3. X-BeenThere: ruby-core@ruby-lang.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ruby developers List-Id: Ruby developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ruby-core-bounces@ruby-lang.org Sender: "ruby-core" nobu@ruby-lang.org wrote: > Matz's intention is to use back-ticks for a different syntax, > not to deprecate the command substitution feature. I think that is dangerous to have the meaning of any syntax element become something else, even removing it entirely would be less bad. I have some scripts which are not used for several years at a time, so they may never be run during the 2.x cycle. Having back-tick do something entirely different in 3.x can give a false positive on success, that potentially causes data loss or corruption. False positives is worse than complete failure of a script. That said, I see back-ticks are used improperly all the time. For example, I would support adding warnings and suggestions to use system() instead of being used in a void context. Dangerous interpolation would be one use case for keeping taint, even.