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From: Adrian Madrid To: rack-devel@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163641722ff89c69047109a301 Reply-To: rack-devel@googlegroups.com Sender: rack-devel@googlegroups.com Precedence: bulk X-Google-Loop: groups Mailing-List: list rack-devel@googlegroups.com; contact rack-devel+owner@googlegroups.com List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: , X-BeenThere-Env: rack-devel@googlegroups.com X-BeenThere: rack-devel@googlegroups.com --00163641722ff89c69047109a301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think that rack is bloated considering the bloat is only self-inflicted (autoload as mentioned) but Yahuda brings another point: performance. I would love to have response more performant for everyone to use. Adrian Madrid My eBiz, Developer 3082 W. Maple Loop Dr Lehi, UT 84043 801-341-3824 On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:50, James Tucker wrote: > > > On 13 Aug 2009, at 18:49, Joshua Peek wrote: > > >> Here are a few candidates I'd like to see moved into rack-contrib. >> >> Adapter::Camping >> Auth::OpenID >> ContentType >> Recursive >> Session::Memcache >> > > Whilst I sort of agree, doesn't this just shift the bloat problem somewhere > else? > > > >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Matt Todd wrote: >> >>> I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday and he mentioned that thought >>> the Rack package itself seemed to be slightly bloated by things like >>> Basic >>> Auth et al. He mentioned two things I thought were interesting and I >>> wanted >>> to get your feedback on it: >>> 1. Like Merb, Rack probably could benefit from using a core and more >>> separation of functionality, and >>> 2. Rack core should only include what's necessary for Rack::Lint to >>> validate >>> a basic application at minimum. >>> Thoughts? >>> Matt >>> -- >>> Matt Todd >>> Highgroove Studios >>> www.highgroove.com >>> cell: 404-314-2612 >>> blog: maraby.org >>> >>> Scout - Web Monitoring and Reporting Software >>> www.scoutapp.com >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Joshua Peek >> > > --00163641722ff89c69047109a301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think that rack is bloated considering the bloat is only self-i= nflicted (autoload as mentioned) but Yahuda brings another point: performan= ce. I would love to have response more performant for everyone to use.=C2= =A0


Adrian Madrid
My eBiz, Developer
308= 2 W. Maple Loop Dr
Lehi, UT 84043
801-341-3824


On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:50, James Tuc= ker <jftucker@gm= ail.com> wrote:


On 13 Aug 2009, at 18:49, Joshua Peek wrote:


Here are a few candidates I'd like to see moved into rack-contrib.

Adapter::Camping
Auth::OpenID
ContentType
Recursive
Session::Memcache

Whilst I sort of agree, doesn't this just shift the bloat problem somew= here else?



On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Matt Todd<chiology@gmail.com> wrote:
I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday and he mentioned that thought the Rack package itself seemed to be slightly bloated by things like Basic<= br> Auth et al. He mentioned two things I thought were interesting and I wanted=
to get your feedback on it:
1. Like Merb, Rack probably could benefit from using a core and more
separation of functionality, and
2. Rack core should only include what's necessary for Rack::Lint to val= idate
a basic application at minimum.
Thoughts?
Matt
--
Matt Todd
Highgroove Studios
www.highgroove.com<= /a>
cell: 404-314-2612
blog: maraby.org

Scout - Web Monitoring and Reporting Software
www.scoutapp.com<= br>



--
Joshua Peek


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