From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Delivered-To: chneukirchen@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.190.149 with SMTP id di21cs22141qcb; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rack-devel+bncCIylp-C-DxDkvZztBBoER9yqzg@googlegroups.com designates 10.101.58.8 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.101.58.8; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rack-devel+bncCIylp-C-DxDkvZztBBoER9yqzg@googlegroups.com designates 10.101.58.8 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rack-devel+bncCIylp-C-DxDkvZztBBoER9yqzg@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=rack-devel+bncCIylp-C-DxDkvZztBBoER9yqzg@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.101.58.8]) by 10.101.58.8 with SMTP id l8mr388895ank.6.1302798054635 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:20:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=WfQydSomUiiNOfWrSTrGoOjhBWr1WcfaE18kaegm+t8=; b=Zx80ZsRr9JIdJ9n7Uy6zvviiZ3xElbU8QIhQTnRdwRj4YAur6JjsT8vHe6PT3Vkbci 9kxlQu+AmArpO3aixHcVlM22E36xCky6cOKilU5DQ3F9188uCOp0Im9jVVv8mDdHe/Ow oOUTIHFjH6a7ELMvpoagQP9huHShFW6GOlG1g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; b=evwbZIfiiVWVG+YwHXyKNI+I1pzufp71kqOhfVtH6n0bhs8ld9ACOilvhiBTw0J5kg QJSQ1wKUHAZ0im9u2sklpuloYknNF0slDuvfM9yB/4nVUnvVd3A/i/BEommC2LQnu4sv gvA2+k67ZYf6jsUXPJK9zbYFnXEJJ/u0W67T4= Received: by 10.101.58.8 with SMTP id l8mr106397ank.6.1302798052851; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:20:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: rack-devel@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.29.30 with SMTP id g30ls764648anj.1.p; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.166.23 with SMTP id t23mr317563ano.28.1302798051939; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.166.23 with SMTP id t23mr317562ano.28.1302798051919; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f176.google.com (mail-yx0-f176.google.com [209.85.213.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i25si544222anh.11.2011.04.14.09.20.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.213.176 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of aaron@tenderlovemaking.com) client-ip=209.85.213.176; Received: by yxd5 with SMTP id 5so1064927yxd.21 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.148.65 with SMTP id u41mr1124897yhj.225.1302798050673; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from higgins (c-66-235-46-248.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net [66.235.46.248]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h28sm829265yhm.97.2011.04.14.09.20.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:20:44 -0700 From: Aaron Patterson To: rack-devel@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Unicorn/Rainbows!/Zbatery "support" in rack.git... Message-ID: <20110414162044.GA13757@higgins> References: <20110414083602.GA17769@dcvr.yhbt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110414083602.GA17769@dcvr.yhbt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: aaron@tenderlovemaking.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.213.176 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of aaron@tenderlovemaking.com) smtp.mail=aaron@tenderlovemaking.com Reply-To: rack-devel@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list rack-devel@googlegroups.com; contact rack-devel+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 486215384060 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: rack-devel@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 08:36:02AM +0000, Eric Wong wrote: > Hello, I'm the main support/helpdesk guy and project leader for > Unicorn/Rainbows!/Zbatery servers. I believe > dff8e34f43c2897062d5b252406398ced2d360a8 to add handlers for these > servers is a bad change for everyone. >=20 > All three servers support Rack natively and were designed around the > Rack spec. However the (sometimes minor) differences in using "rackup" > vs the shipped commands will cause confusion among both users and > developers trying to support them. >=20 > All three servers also rely on Unix signals for management, so their > names in the process table is also an important part of the user > experience. >=20 > Unlike typical web servers, Unicorn should never be directly exposed to > slow clients, but a user just trying it with "rackup" would never be > informed of that (especially since other servers like > Mongrel/Thin/WEBrick don't have this limitation). >=20 > Rainbows! and Zbatery are also completely worthless without a > configuration file, but "rackup" has no way of conveying that to the > user. The user would just be left with an even worse version > of Unicorn. >=20 >=20 > I'm also under the impression that nobody uses Rainbows! or Zbatery, > yet, so I'd rather users' first impressions of those projects be > through the officially-supported and documented commands. >=20 > Thanks for reading, I hope you agree and revert the change. Hi Eric, I've reverted the commit. Thanks for letting us know. --=20 Aaron Patterson http://tenderlovemaking.com/ --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNpx7cAAoJEJUxcLy0/6/GqewH/1iXbT92MIAJUEWK9UzivgL1 UcdUYRISxr3hhpeyWvC4K95vwA6s1bTvlszm1R5Z02cf4MYxIsSgpgCUKVPkhWhE 4BWKBbNSkf0nepd4QqEqNyzJltLWnPgQCNgyFvM+5XrwVd01BVMpWJ7PgvX0fUnW Se8flKCOsZHkasb7VZjt/8NsEfigF7jP0pCFW2xm8BazWYP9jF089FzZxT9WhopJ n0w6d8on+u2CzVPTmqr3w4tc+73BywFJ1Be6NHSyXQaB0ruJYpGdP36+papj9glL VmrZMF19XmoHVdH6kVrUKfQAvP+fL88pXB2rlVTntGUPxUYQdOjz+CPBV/H3Rvo= =aoRC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5--