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From: Jakub Narębski <jnareb@gmail.com>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: Eric Wong <e@80x24.org>, Stefan Beller <sbeller@google.com>,
	meta@public-inbox.org, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Working with public-inbox.org
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:41:51 +0200
Message-ID: <d4c44d3c-7361-2a33-4ae5-03cc45f8a034@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1608281033340.129229@virtualbox>

Hello Johannes,

W dniu 28.08.2016 o 10:36, Johannes Schindelin pisze:
> On Sun, 28 Aug 2016, Jakub Narębski wrote:
>> W dniu 25.08.2016 o 14:58, Johannes Schindelin pisze:
>>> On Mon, 22 Aug 2016, Eric Wong wrote:
>>>> Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just want developers who are already familiar with Git, and come up with
>>>>> an improvement to Git itself, to be able to contribute it without having
>>>>> to pull out their hair in despair.
>>>>
>>>> We want the same thing.  I just want to go farther and get
>>>> people familiar with (federated|decentralized) tools instead of
>>>> proprietary and centralized ones.
>>>
>>> Why require users to get familiar with (federated|decentralized) tools
>>> *unless* they make things provably more convenient? So far, I only see
>>> that this would add to the hurdle, not improve things.
>>
>> Arguably for some federated/decentralized tools are preferred
>> (for philosophical reasons), even if they do not achieve even feature
>> parity with centralized tools (c.f. FSF).

Philosophical and ideological reasons.

> This statement is false. If you had talked about *your* preference, it
> would be true. But to state that federated/decentralized tools are
> universally preferred is nonsense.

The key word is "some" (or, if you prefer, "a few").

> You know as well as I do that most users/contributors go for convenience.
> 
> And if you require an inconvenient step (e.g. subscribing to a
> federated/decentralized philosophy), most potential contributors simply
> stop being potential contributors. End of story.

For some people registering on GitHub and using web interface (though
I think there is also command line interface, don't know if it covers
PRs) would be the inconvenient step.  Just saying.


What I would like to see is bidirectional bridge between email and
GitHub (and possibly other hosting sites), so that everybody could use
their favorite interface, be it Git + email client, or Git + web browser
(or desktop client for GitHub).  Just like thanks to Gmane and Gmane-like
public-inbox I can use either email client or news reader, and it is
[nearly] transparent regarding to which one I use.

Even better if hosting site implementation (of pull requests, etc.)
were based on federated systems (like email, or Usenet, or IRC, or XMPP),
and not closed in walled gardens; with hosting site just being one
particular implementation (like e.g. Ghost blog engine, and Ghost Pro
hosting site).

I agree that lowering barriers to contribution for new class of users
(like MS Windows users; setting up MTA on Linux etc. for git-send-email
or git-imap-send is not very complicated), if it would be possible
without inconveniencing existing reviewers... which are even more
important, judging by the amount of "needs review" messages in
"What's cooking...".

Best,
-- 
Jakub Narębski


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Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-16 16:55 Working with public-inbox.org [Was: [PATCH] rev-parse: respect core.hooksPath in --git-path] Stefan Beller
2016-08-16 17:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-16 17:20   ` Jeff King
2016-08-16 17:54     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-16 17:22   ` Stefan Beller
2016-08-16 17:47     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-16 20:44   ` Eric Wong
2016-08-16 20:56     ` Eric Wong
2016-08-18 12:42 ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-08-18 20:49   ` Eric Wong
2016-08-18 21:41     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-19 15:18       ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-08-19 15:30     ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-08-19 16:55       ` Stefan Beller
2016-08-19 22:35         ` Eric Wong
2016-08-22 13:38         ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-08-22 19:21         ` Jeff King
2016-08-19 22:35       ` Eric Wong
2016-08-22 13:18         ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-08-22 18:05           ` Jakub Narębski
2016-08-25 13:21             ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-08-28 18:23               ` Jakub Narębski
2016-08-29 10:46                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-08-22 22:55           ` Eric Wong
2016-08-25 12:58             ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-08-27 22:38               ` Jakub Narębski
2016-08-28  8:36                 ` Working with public-inbox.org Johannes Schindelin
2016-08-28 11:41                   ` Jakub Narębski [this message]
2016-08-29  5:35                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-08-19 15:03   ` Working with public-inbox.org [Was: [PATCH] rev-parse: respect core.hooksPath in --git-path] Jeff King
2016-08-20 19:57     ` Jakub Narębski
2016-08-23  4:47       ` Arif Khokar
2016-08-24 15:34         ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-08-24 18:49           ` Eric Wong
2016-08-24 19:12             ` Jeff King
2016-08-24 19:27               ` Eric Wong
2016-08-25  3:40             ` Arif Khokar
2016-08-25  2:41           ` Arif Khokar
2017-02-10 16:10           ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-02-13  5:52             ` Arif Khokar
2017-02-13 14:37               ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-02-14  3:56                 ` Arif Khokar
2017-02-14  3:59                   ` Arif Khokar
2017-02-14  7:13                   ` Eric Wong
2017-02-13 19:21               ` Junio C Hamano
2017-02-14  3:55                 ` Arif Khokar
2017-02-14  4:41                   ` Junio C Hamano
2017-02-14  5:09                     ` Arif Khokar
2017-02-14  5:14                     ` Jeff King
2016-08-22 13:06     ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-08-22 13:15       ` Duy Nguyen
2016-08-22 20:38         ` Philip Oakley
2016-08-24 13:04           ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-08-24 19:16             ` Eric Wong
2016-08-25 13:08               ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-08-25  3:57             ` Arif Khokar
2016-08-25 13:01               ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-08-25 23:14                 ` Arif Khokar
2016-08-26  8:08                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-08-27 22:26         ` Jakub Narębski
2016-08-28  8:38           ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-08-28 13:45             ` Announcing Git User's Survey 2016 [was: Working with public-inbox.org] Jakub Narębski
2016-09-09 13:06               ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-09-09 18:51                 ` Jakub Narębski

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