From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS8560 212.227.0.0/16 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_PASS,URIBL_RED shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BE791FD99; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:36:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from virtualbox ([37.24.141.250]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MXIGf-1baxav0N0P-00WFUO; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 10:36:40 +0200 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 10:36:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Johannes Schindelin X-X-Sender: virtualbox@virtualbox To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jakub_Nar=C4=99bski?= cc: Eric Wong , Stefan Beller , meta@public-inbox.org, git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Working with public-inbox.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20160818204902.GA1670@starla> <20160819223547.GB16646@dcvr> <20160822225549.GA25383@starla> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="8323329-1261616707-1472373400=:129229" X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:7erH4fAA6fAOIGf1d0cmhrFrJ4AwVbnAM77DzvtcrrF2n3S6xnG Pd8wcdipaOUJwSCWsv0B0pWx1x+gud2ZL+cDy7i1zFWSDlkmzaURDbSOp+q+Ab7qgt7ZB+K qbI/0S5jY4nlh1ypZHaHsovPatQwQ4G7YLX9XtH1hRF57mVdlFfqp+QyG8LI/NI/YPb5CL/ qUzdzMRullCctZUINSNjw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:dDzmxv5towo=:HTr1JFiFFeOJLu8RqiCdy2 QbT/JKKyn5TIpwzt4eFaB1Rk3dVn6tcEC/z7022G66szWhTVT8PaYN0Pigo64vp9Nsn3JqlhV tmTMGU+UWqUL/4Doso01SzCBe3WghtODgMdZzIyxvjPjvIP3SZGoZoWflIMzj6yVBnkgdAnwh 7d8bN6iCrRla7mzLCJ1HHde+WyfwtrWC3Lqx1vsqMiM36JzYOMK/LKOBXV+fHn4R+KWXaKTP1 +hnfVTyYfZShNRAxdN5Z3FYj5IGCsPSuGvCpjWbK5i2LAe1nLQ5AmyII5eEyToxjduyM8r/6M w3iaSp7PhLTsf2Rqh9I9DEckYoVyLsn0qhW7XiAKyQ3V7C0emofRLmFfJz/wC41b52mBLQ9ys Or0ywTfjDxpP9Q2CvAO5M07WPBAvnCtcrRx75JKL5XHfRGfOOFD2pp5Fk2VU9teNNM+/a2eNX rLh8fHuLr/Mdd1Xu4O5qOkmwfosYYrxRFtk3s1LTy+Xploo7OhhXcSte0BJK8EGmXRsyCTOSO fhAoeoHUWSBQJWWPdg9cL6Wb3+ZLu/2up90/CVtLwxomRcjMOn/m9FMNZh+Ec8AClhmnHHznB MSqhodaMtOn7M+lH/LwhX7kpzfBRJXETWnkLPyl43lWunwcB0x328Td5VZsgiFHOST653d8sL 7tyGEOrFSyZb+8hS+HkuGkfid21GcG+t2O4QEre43kCWYnzeS4LRRJaRqAuNPxuwYWEbhwxYV R015GJhaN7JTknho+fPb7jNwozSR78MXrJ1cDQunvUx6j7X0NFNsWugMwxoVSCXanPxuFc/Tt ezpyC1X List-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323329-1261616707-1472373400=:129229 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Hi Kuba, On Sun, 28 Aug 2016, Jakub Nar=C4=99bski wrote: > W dniu 25.08.2016 o 14:58, Johannes Schindelin pisze: > > On Mon, 22 Aug 2016, Eric Wong wrote: > >> Johannes Schindelin wrote: > >> > >>> I just want developers who are already familiar with Git, and come up= with > >>> an improvement to Git itself, to be able to contribute it without hav= ing > >>> to pull out their hair in despair. > >> > >> We want the same thing. I just want to go farther and get > >> people familiar with (federated|decentralized) tools instead of > >> proprietary and centralized ones. > >=20 > > Why require users to get familiar with (federated|decentralized) tools > > *unless* they make things provably more convenient? So far, I only see > > that this would add to the hurdle, not improve things. >=20 > Arguably for some federated/decentralized tools are preferred > (for philosophical reasons), even if they do not achieve even feature > parity with centralized tools (c.f. FSF). This statement is false. If you had talked about *your* preference, it would be true. But to state that federated/decentralized tools are universally preferred is nonsense. You know as well as I do that most users/contributors go for convenience. And if you require an inconvenient step (e.g. subscribing to a federated/decentralized philosophy), most potential contributors simply stop being potential contributors. End of story. Ciao, Johannes --8323329-1261616707-1472373400=:129229--