From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY shortcircuit=no autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from mail-wm1-f67.google.com (mail-wm1-f67.google.com [209.85.128.67]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B609D1F610 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2020 22:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm1-f67.google.com with SMTP id y24so1754899wma.4 for ; Wed, 08 Apr 2020 15:37:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=WTvlfI2oD6z719hGc4ziGXxaicAcTM5BlOOjc8dwb/U=; b=iSUJsB3Ti+ISrwVM96lFD6GtfW9VvAooiHI4TsydNk2S40K5CyPhlYcyudpSte4mrM D7088qj/X1dc5sL9wmHsmGqT3cWpxvSXFVJVXcO/jFu3Bx47ebwmFzUhgtZ6lPkBGLSh m/FnwpAYTkBtRLhLr1xltieOtDx2gL/CfSnikzijxqf051zeiV9BPPlsh7BqOYhAq/i9 84Z37gqpPW4jWeflF2VkACOvl1SWze0OYICCRKEVYNEN1yNcllXSmnoR7sZaRMhkFKOp JarewZUPRWl4IFCg3y60K1GDRPhR4WtZTrK+4whkXq+xVRTclu+3a4+sI0WPoUpifQiG L+eg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0Pub7zeIMZ1t17C2jT4cVtbAMkijEdTdgJPkWCftVvsf7iM/VVjyc myDrNE5sy6FyMIEMyP2BXHUlIKgyHfIdRg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypIfJQOSq7K3QCU9MuTHJPRO2Nou+Mg4lboKDDfMNVG360nAQg0av9g3qySFykLZKnpVKFZxzw== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:195:: with SMTP id 143mr6847766wmb.0.1586385430913; Wed, 08 Apr 2020 15:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rhea.home.vuxu.org ([2001:470:6d:72e:468a:bdad:15be:dff3]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j11sm32603539wro.51.2020.04.08.15.37.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 08 Apr 2020 15:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (rhea.home.vuxu.org [local]) by rhea.home.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id 086171e4; Wed, 8 Apr 2020 22:37:08 +0000 (UTC) From: Leah Neukirchen To: Eric Wong Cc: meta@public-inbox.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] doc: add technical/whyperl References: <20200407094940.14962-1-e@yhbt.net> <87r1wyjlop.fsf@vuxu.org> <20200408221741.GA10142@dcvr> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2020 00:37:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20200408221741.GA10142@dcvr> (Eric Wong's message of "Wed, 8 Apr 2020 22:17:41 +0000") Message-ID: <87lfn5ioyz.fsf@vuxu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-Id: Eric Wong writes: > Leah Neukirchen wrote: > > Did you forget reply-all? Re-adding Cc: meta@public-inbox.org > since you've already posted there in the past. I was more meant as a off-side remark, but we can also do this on the list. >> Eric Wong writes: >> >> > Some people don't like Perl; but it exists, there's no >> > avoiding it with everything that depends on it. And >> > nearly all code still works unmodified after 20 years. >> >> > + Furthermore, Perl documentation is typically installed as >> > + manpages, allowing users to quickly access and learn it >> > + offline. >> >> I absolutely don't mind using Perl, but I cannot say this is true. >> I tried to learn Perl from the man pages, and things got sooo much >> clearer once I picked up the Camel book. The man pages are good for >> reference, but not for learning from scratch. > > Interesting, thanks for the comment. I'll reword it, how about: > > Furthermore, Perl documentation is typically installed > locally as manpages, allowing users to quickly refer > to documentation as needed. > > ? This sounds better to me. > Fwiw, I guess my own learning experiences are atypical. I've > never picked up a book on Perl or any language/skill I'm > familiar with. Mainly source diving, manpages, lurking on > mailing lists, archives, newsgroups, etc. along with lots of > trial-and-error. So I just looked into perlintro and the word context appears like three times and is not explained. I think picking up some core concepts is super hard from the included docs. cu, -- Leah Neukirchen https://leahneukirchen.org