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* FSF/GNU future without RMS, my opinion
@ 2019-10-08 10:38 Sergey Matveev
  2019-10-08 14:49 ` 'smee via libreplanet-discuss
  2019-10-08 15:25 ` ‘Cc: rmssupport@protonmail.com’? (was: FSF/GNU future without RMS, my opinion) Dmitry Alexandrov
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From: Sergey Matveev @ 2019-10-08 10:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: libreplanet-discuss, gnu-and-fsf; +Cc: rmssupport


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Greetings, FSF and GNU fellows!

For past month and especially last days, I am shocked about attacks,
insults and blames of Richard M. Stallman and all that awful terrifying
situation happening. Completely insane and hardly believed events like
several GNU projects blackmailing RMS to stop representing free
software, FSFE welcoming his resignation and now joint statement of GNU
developers asking him to leave the GNU project at all.

They fear that RMS is some kind of barrier for gaining popularity of
free software. Free software has NEVER been about popularity. It is open
source about. Free software mainly is about ethics and importance of
ethical decisions.

* I tend to spent all my free time developing free software. Why?
  Because of RMS convinced me the importance of movement's ideas and
  targets.
* I talk with my employer and take vacations to write software outside
  the work, to forbid employer making it non-free and to copyleft it.
  I doubt I would ever think about all that issues if there will be no
  RMS articles and talks.
* Several times I was a speaker at meetups and conferences and every
  time I mention and underscore the importance and necessity of free
  software in our life, that no security can be achieved without it.
  Software can be opensourced, but that does not mean we are able to
  control it, control our computers. I done that because of RMS
  exclusively.
* I have bought free software related products like OpenMoko, Lemote
  YeeLoong and similar things not because of their quality, not because
  I want to deal with them as a developer, but because I want to support
  projects supporting free software. Without RMS I hardly will be
  interested in them.

I can not imagine that I will ever notice FSF organization existence
without RMS. What is GNU without RMS? Well, without its philosophical
section is just yet another organization developing software, like
Apache, RedHat etc, with hardly considerable value amongst them. Some of
GNU creations are incredible and a must-have. Some are not. But the most
important thing that they are free software. RMS taught and showed me
how this is the most important. Would I use XXX software? Literally my
first question will be "is it free?". If no, then no way I would be
using it, even if no other software exists solving the desired task.

Would I use opensource/free software because of its quality and
popularity? I am in Unix-like world for nearly 20 years and let's look
at its most popular GNU/Linux distribution Ubuntu -- its quality sucks,
that I hardly believe it is tested before the release. Also all that
systemd cancer is a reason I use FreeBSD, OpenBSD systems instead of any
popular GNU/Linux distribution. If there will be no free software *BSD
systems, will I use GNu/Linux distributions? Well, yes, of course,
because at least they are free software, however their quality sucks.
Popularity and quality is the questions of open source movement, that
fails reaching its quality and excellence goals. If not RMS, then I will
use something like Solaris, probably will have wife with children and
hope that I am bringing no less value to society.

What can I see happening now? Total hypocrisy, where some well-known
hackers, highly intelligent men are weak and fear to unsatisfy the loud
useless minority of someone does not like absolutely adequate (however
not everyone will agree with) but misinterpreted and misunderstood RMS
comments on the subject totally unrelated to free software. Who
ingratitudely immediately joins all that brainsick blaming without
having anyone/anything to "replace" him with, having nothing that
fulfils the task of free software movement's ethics spreading.

FSF and GNU can do whatever they want, but without RMS they will be
hardly visible.

-- 
Sergey Matveev (http://www.stargrave.org/)
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* Re: FSF/GNU future without RMS, my opinion
  2019-10-08 10:38 FSF/GNU future without RMS, my opinion Sergey Matveev
@ 2019-10-08 14:49 ` 'smee via libreplanet-discuss
  2019-10-08 15:25 ` ‘Cc: rmssupport@protonmail.com’? (was: FSF/GNU future without RMS, my opinion) Dmitry Alexandrov
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: 'smee via libreplanet-discuss @ 2019-10-08 14:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Sergey Matveev, libreplanet-discuss, gnu-and-fsf; +Cc: rmssupport


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On Tue, 2019-10-08 at 13:38 +0300, Sergey Matveev wrote:
> FSF and GNU can do whatever they want, but without RMS they will be
> 
> hardly visible.

Thanks for sharing, and I totally agree. I drop projects and companies
that make the wrong moves, and using political correctness and public
relations to direct a software project/movement is asinine and, the
wrong move.

The ideas that RMS holds (with regard to software) will survive and
thrive, because they are common sense for people who understand
software. And software is all we should be discussing here. 

When it comes to human rights and human dignity, let's remember that
there are more Epsteins and Maxwells (and their clients) in the world,
and stop worrying about policing software activists thoughts and words.

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   On Tue, 2019-10-08 at 13:38 +0300, Sergey Matveev wrote:

     FSF and GNU can do whatever they want, but without RMS they will be
     hardly visible.

   Thanks for sharing, and I totally agree. I drop projects and companies
   that make the wrong moves, and using political correctness and public
   relations to direct a software project/movement is asinine and, the
   wrong move.

   The ideas that RMS holds (with regard to software) will survive and
   thrive, because they are common sense for people who understand
   software. And software is all we should be discussing here.

   When it comes to human rights and human dignity, let's remember that
   there are more Epsteins and Maxwells (and their clients) in the world,
   and stop worrying about policing software activists thoughts and words.

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* ‘Cc: rmssupport@protonmail.com’? (was: FSF/GNU future without RMS, my opinion)
  2019-10-08 10:38 FSF/GNU future without RMS, my opinion Sergey Matveev
  2019-10-08 14:49 ` 'smee via libreplanet-discuss
@ 2019-10-08 15:25 ` Dmitry Alexandrov
  2019-10-08 15:45   ` ‘Cc: rmssupport@protonmail.com’? Sergey Matveev
  2019-10-08 16:12   ` ‘Cc: rmssupport@protonmail.com’? (was: FSF/GNU future without RMS, my opinion) Seamus Tuohy
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From: Dmitry Alexandrov @ 2019-10-08 15:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Sergey Matveev; +Cc: libreplanet-discuss, rmssupport


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Sergey Matveev <stargrave@stargrave.org> wrote:
> Cc: rmssupport@protonmail.com

Sorry, what this address is about?  I believe, Protonmail does not host mailing lists, so this is someone’s personal mail.  Whose, if it’s no secret?

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* Re: ‘Cc: rmssupport@protonmail.com’?
  2019-10-08 15:25 ` ‘Cc: rmssupport@protonmail.com’? (was: FSF/GNU future without RMS, my opinion) Dmitry Alexandrov
@ 2019-10-08 15:45   ` Sergey Matveev
  2019-10-08 16:12   ` ‘Cc: rmssupport@protonmail.com’? (was: FSF/GNU future without RMS, my opinion) Seamus Tuohy
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From: Sergey Matveev @ 2019-10-08 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: libreplanet-discuss


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*** Dmitry Alexandrov [2019-10-08 18:25]:
>Sorry, what this address is about?

It is about https://fsforce.noblogs.org/

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* Re: ‘Cc: rmssupport@protonmail.com’? (was: FSF/GNU future without RMS, my opinion)
  2019-10-08 15:25 ` ‘Cc: rmssupport@protonmail.com’? (was: FSF/GNU future without RMS, my opinion) Dmitry Alexandrov
  2019-10-08 15:45   ` ‘Cc: rmssupport@protonmail.com’? Sergey Matveev
@ 2019-10-08 16:12   ` Seamus Tuohy
  2019-10-08 19:49     ` ‘Cc: rmssupport@protonmail.com’? Dmitry Alexandrov
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From: Seamus Tuohy @ 2019-10-08 16:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dmitry Alexandrov; +Cc: Sergey Matveev, libreplanet-discuss, rmssupport


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Here you go Dmitry. It looks like it's the first result at the link below.

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22rmssupport%22+%22protonmail.com%22

Best,
s2e


On Tue, Oct 8, 2019, 11:26 AM Dmitry Alexandrov <321942@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sergey Matveev <stargrave@stargrave.org> wrote:
> > Cc: rmssupport@protonmail.com
>
> Sorry, what this address is about?  I believe, Protonmail does not host
> mailing lists, so this is someone’s personal mail.  Whose, if it’s no
> secret?
> _______________________________________________
> libreplanet-discuss mailing list
> libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
> https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss

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   Here you go Dmitry. It looks like it's the first result at the link
   below.
   [1]https://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22rmssupport%22+%22protonmail.com%22
   Best,
   s2e
   On Tue, Oct 8, 2019, 11:26 AM Dmitry Alexandrov <[2]321942@gmail.com>
   wrote:

     Sergey Matveev <[3]stargrave@stargrave.org> wrote:
     > Cc: [4]rmssupport@protonmail.com
     Sorry, what this address is about?  I believe, Protonmail does not
     host mailing lists, so this is someone’s personal mail.  Whose, if
     it’s no secret?
     _______________________________________________
     libreplanet-discuss mailing list
     [5]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
     [6]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discus
     s

References

   1. https://lmgtfy.com/?q="rmssupport"+"protonmail.com"
   2. mailto:321942@gmail.com
   3. mailto:stargrave@stargrave.org
   4. mailto:rmssupport@protonmail.com
   5. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
   6. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss

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* Re: ‘Cc: rmssupport@protonmail.com’?
  2019-10-08 16:12   ` ‘Cc: rmssupport@protonmail.com’? (was: FSF/GNU future without RMS, my opinion) Seamus Tuohy
@ 2019-10-08 19:49     ` Dmitry Alexandrov
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From: Dmitry Alexandrov @ 2019-10-08 19:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Seamus Tuohy; +Cc: Sergey Matveev, libreplanet-discuss, rmssupport


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Seamus Tuohy <elationfoundation@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019, 11:26 AM Dmitry Alexandrov <321942@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sergey Matveev <stargrave@stargrave.org> wrote:
>> > Cc: rmssupport@protonmail.com
>>
>> Sorry, what this address is about?  I believe, Protonmail does not host mailing lists, so this is someone’s personal mail.  Whose, if it’s no secret?
>
> Here you go Dmitry. It looks like it's the first result at the link below.
>
> https://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22rmssupport%22+%22protonmail.com%22

First, this well-known (mis)service does not do anything unless a visitor is willing to run nonfree programs in his browser.

Anyway, the first link shall be https://fsforce.noblogs.org.

I read this page of course — it had been mentioned here already.  But, alas, it does not reveal who are ‘we’ behind this address, as, unless I was severely inattentive, there was no signature or any other attribution, it was anonymous.

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