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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::531 Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IOKAnFByb21vdGUgTm9QaG9uZeKAnSBpcyBhIHBhdGggdG8gbm93aGVy?= =?UTF-8?B?ZQ==?= X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1899458549051278016==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" --===============1899458549051278016== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Caleb Herbert wrote: > Most people cannot access or afford decent Replicant devices. No people can access or afford _decent_ Replicant devices: they are simply = nonexistent. A device, listed at https://replicant.us (which would _not_ fully work unde= r it anyway), could be obtained very easily and for a laughable price, thou= gh. > It is impractical to suggest people use them. Here I am fully agree with you. > F-Droid is not the answer. It is a last resort for device addicts to gai= n partial freedom. We should primarily suggest people to not have mobile d= evices > We should teach them how to live a happy life without them, and how to do= it. _That_, not some silly =E2=80=98statutory rape=E2=80=99 stuff above, is wha= t really makes RMS views startling: he is a luddite. I am hardly able to r= ealise, how could a man who discover and devote his life to promote the mos= t revolutionary social phenomenon of last 30 years and a man who believes t= hat we (a) are able to and (b) should try to resist the technical progress,= because besides positive consequences it entails some negative too, be the= same person, but the mobile telephony is not the only point where he does = so. And yes, both mobile phones per se and =E2=80=98phones=E2=80=99 that you me= an (that is, handheld PCs with modem, navigator, camera, etc, etc built-in)= have been enormous progress. Calling people, that make use of them, =E2= =80=98addicts=E2=80=99 is nothing more reasonable, that calling =E2=80=98ad= dicts=E2=80=99 people who have got =E2=80=98addicted=E2=80=99 to Internet o= r =E2=80=98addicted=E2=80=99 to hot water. > We should recognize the needs people fulfill with their phones, and offer= replacements. We should show testimonies of people who do this every day = successfully, and show that it is possible to live life with user respectin= g devices. Well, you know: it is fully possible to live you life without Internet and = hot water. I could provide you testimonies from people who do this success= fully, if you will. ;-) Luddism is a path that leads no nowhere. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE1yoTx9fONarixgNIydoJ3hnBsjAFAl1/Rn4ACgkQydoJ3hnB sjBTRwgAh+x7XNltIcmkjzXz9XXGWmo36HJJPicJMvs+l+IazTRWApffoLvzt3nC uYKZp+A3Uazt6vE+14mK4vszTQ86n3GGLDSt13UF14yNRODoe4a6jOCKvzviZCXj 9JIOOX9NWk18bQYnATtL1Mssm5mrMBDZ3+EsnwOetLZMcl9AMFwToLyOVxGFgSHi ICeV/o4PSRwSIykyos0Ja1S7KMXK2KYZB6Vfe/ZwP0H3aObJd03Vc8uW1rBBvJwv LptB97A2e/XqWJIs20qRFS6SqNZ6HghILSgq+qPMCH724jBIm9UfL05b9OXaQnx1 iWcqkjPmSM+fjwD7T/VgVGBOy/m0NA== =oNwA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- --===============1899458549051278016== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KbGlicmVwbGFu ZXQtZGlzY3VzcyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKbGlicmVwbGFuZXQtZGlzY3Vzc0BsaWJyZXBsYW5ldC5v cmcKaHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy5saWJyZXBsYW5ldC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9saWJyZXBs YW5ldC1kaXNjdXNz --===============1899458549051278016==--