From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS3215 2.0.0.0/16 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:4830:134:3::11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91E4D208CD for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 19:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:57246 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dnVSx-0006Da-Id for e@80x24.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:49:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33220) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dnVSi-0006DU-BZ for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:49:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dnVSd-0004iV-Fo for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:49:12 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:56386) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dnVSd-0004iG-7t for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:49:07 -0400 Received: from piha.riseup.net (unknown [10.0.1.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E6431A01F5; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 19:49:05 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1504208945; bh=vrnoxdQMj44y5KXNtKKHFdfT2RU5kzwMcSvEJsCoSi0=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=GHsiKmkALgcpIMhksGNUlLcVpWN7mIOc/v/DJFNY8XZdk4vKossKxSFMnYefy3rUv xsVKGtrj18p+r5V0vgHYJJOt42A2vYs4pEX8bule5H2s8qjASM4tnp04ZtHzf3CB6U wMMS9ALId09P1qdiTiVGPAJSsl1hGHez1WJt5Vp0= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: wolftune@riseup.net) by (piha) with ESMTPSA id 476EC1E225D To: John Sullivan References: <7d0a3e56-f761-184c-5e51-8557dd043d56@lyberta.net> <4ed9c9e1-d8ec-df29-5700-70c6c246a02f@riseup.net> <537d3ec3-b054-75e0-0d11-cfa1f1ac43b8@lyberta.net> <736b7bc7-c823-cc48-f9be-717cac9b9526@riseup.net> <84af8f6e-0dfb-36b2-a8af-1adee31ef6e7@lyberta.net> <3c23d877-cff9-5dc8-e6fa-0bb234097ae3@riseup.net> <87wp5k8ptx.fsf@gnu.org> <4d46ee30-edda-8c55-bc11-1a7bfbfe9d9a@riseup.net> <87shg87266.fsf@gnu.org> <87pobbikuf.fsf@wjsullivan.net> From: Aaron Wolf Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 12:49:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87pobbikuf.fsf@wjsullivan.net> Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 198.252.153.129 Subject: Re: Adding [A]GPLv3+ code to Quake-based code base X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Mike Gerwitz , libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" On 08/31/2017 12:43 PM, John Sullivan wrote: > Aaron Wolf writes: > >> Thanks. But damnit. Sounds like the AGPL has an unfortunate flaw here. >> Is there not even a requirement that people get any notice that the >> software being run is under AGPL at all, unless it's modified?? > > Put a source link in the code. Then if anyone removes it in the version > they are offering over the network, it's a modified version. AFAICT, > most AGPL programs have such notices (not sure why you wouldn't). > > -john > Yes, of course. And you mean explicitly *a user-facing source-link in the UI* (a link in just the source code is no good if you don't have the source code). But this still means that we can have this bad (though unlikely) situation: 1. Service A goes up with code under AGPL 2. Service B goes up with unmodified code 3. Source host goes down 4. Service B remains running indefinitely with no source available, and service B can refuse to provide it In fact, a single _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss