From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS22989 209.51.188.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B150F1F4D7 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:46:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:35666 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1njS55-0002Vj-Hk for e@80x24.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:46:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46772) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1njPuz-0001aG-4e for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2022 14:28:09 -0400 Received: from c.mail.sonic.net ([64.142.111.80]:40210) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1njPuw-0006L5-Ub for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2022 14:28:08 -0400 Received: from webmail.sonic.net (webmail.a.apps.sonic.net [64.142.109.105]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPA id 23QIS3wq007354; Tue, 26 Apr 2022 11:28:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 11:28:03 -0700 From: Thomas Lord To: Danny Spitzberg Cc: Kaio Duarte Costa , Libreplanet Discussion list Subject: Re: thank you elon musk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.17 X-Sonic-Auth: r02VRlWOZetFNFq11Tp5Q3ZNHwGAJzBSosLuEh+ge97lNGOyitytZauy4Bz1V8SyeTgZzjerMH871lGRH4G+gHwxwcUjvYE8jeVSzKrRrvQ= X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVamk4pybUM2f83WHb3x9BbinQXmSQhyoWrXYSZ/gDMMhZS1cGK5U+Z/c/gz8MDlbfk8aj4MIt7dEotnkoWt5hC48KKDa9JpvxI= X-Sonic-ID: C;cNDbm47F7BGC/6sBQWJIoQ== M;8gjgm47F7BGC/6sBQWJIoQ== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Received-SPF: none client-ip=64.142.111.80; envelope-from=lord@basiscraft.com; helo=c.mail.sonic.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:45:48 -0400 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6519282291837562657==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" --===============6519282291837562657== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_5686a282aaf09558d2a263f6f6cc69c2" --=_5686a282aaf09558d2a263f6f6cc69c2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII There is nothing the software freedom movement can do to prevent the existence of malicious users or malicious server operators. All that we can do is make sure that none of them are able to monopolize a widely shared service, and that the software needed to stand up servers is libre software. So your criticism of Mastadon misses the point and suggests you aren't interested in helping bury software unfreedom. -t On 2022-04-26 11:23, Danny Spitzberg wrote: > Unfortunately, Twitter has a huge critical mass of users and functions as a (publicly traded) public utility. News programs read tweets live on TV. Politicians post statements via tweets too. Earthquake reports come out first via Twitter before official alerts come out - also on Twitter. > > As for Mastodon, > https://twitter.com/gravecat/status/1518598015396818944 > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 11:19 AM Thomas Lord wrote: > >> Why is this hard? >> >> A lot of serious people are now looking for an exit from twitter. >> >> The ones I see are asking about Mastadon. >> >> The FSF front page is a bunch of dust stuff about libreplanet, >> and they evince no concerted, organized activity to stand up >> instances and education materials -- to move people to Mastadon. >> >> Why else do they exist? It is not enough to "have a position" >> on twitter. Get to the barricades. >> >> I have long been troubled that FSF has devolved to the kind of >> NPO that exists mainly to provide jobs for the people who >> operate it, and not to serve a useful social function. >> >> Here we have today a clear circumstance in which they can >> prove me wrong. >> >> -t >> >> On 2022-04-26 10:50, Kaio Duarte Costa wrote: >>> Em 2022-04-26 14:37, Thomas Lord escreveu: >>>> If the FSF is not now going very hard on promoting Mastadon, >>>> they should never be trusted to anything right again. >>>> >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> -t >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> libreplanet-discuss mailing list >>>> libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org >>>> https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss >>> >>> Hey Thomas, >>> >>> I didn't quite understand your message, where is the FSF failing in >>> promoting Mastodon? By using Twitter which has now been bought by Elon >>> Musk? >>> >>> If this is the case, I recommend you see the page "Is the FSF on >>> Twitter?" (https://www.fsf.org/twitter) >>> >>> Please clarify the points that you consider FSF's low effort in >>> relation >>> to Mastodon, to make it easier to understand! >>> >>> Sincerely, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> libreplanet-discuss mailing list >> libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org >> https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss --=_5686a282aaf09558d2a263f6f6cc69c2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" There is nothing the software freedom movement can do to prevent the existence of malicious users or malicious server operators. All that we can do is make sure that none of them are able to monopolize a widely shared service, and that the software needed to stand up servers is libre software. So your criticism of Mastadon misses the point and suggests you aren't interested in helping bury software unfreedom. -t On 2022-04-26 11:23, Danny Spitzberg wrote: Unfortunately, Twitter has a huge critical mass of users and functions as a (publicly traded) public utility. News programs read tweets live on TV. Politicians post statements via tweets too. Earthquake reports come out first via Twitter before official alerts come out - also on Twitter. As for Mastodon, [1]https://twitter.com/gravecat/status/1518598015396818944 On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 11:19 AM Thomas Lord <[2]lord@basiscraft.com> wrote: Why is this hard? A lot of serious people are now looking for an exit from twitter. The ones I see are asking about Mastadon. The FSF front page is a bunch of dust stuff about libreplanet, and they evince no concerted, organized activity to stand up instances and education materials -- to move people to Mastadon. Why else do they exist? It is not enough to "have a position" on twitter. Get to the barricades. I have long been troubled that FSF has devolved to the kind of NPO that exists mainly to provide jobs for the people who operate it, and not to serve a useful social function. Here we have today a clear circumstance in which they can prove me wrong. -t On 2022-04-26 10:50, Kaio Duarte Costa wrote: > Em 2022-04-26 14:37, Thomas Lord escreveu: >> If the FSF is not now going very hard on promoting Mastadon, >> they should never be trusted to anything right again. >> >> :-) >> >> -t >> >> _______________________________________________ >> libreplanet-discuss mailing list >> [3]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org >> [4]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discus s > > Hey Thomas, > > I didn't quite understand your message, where is the FSF failing in > promoting Mastodon? By using Twitter which has now been bought by Elon > Musk? > > If this is the case, I recommend you see the page "Is the FSF on > Twitter?" ([5]https://www.fsf.org/twitter) > > Please clarify the points that you consider FSF's low effort in > relation > to Mastodon, to make it easier to understand! > > Sincerely, _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list [6]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org [7]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discus s References 1. https://twitter.com/gravecat/status/1518598015396818944 2. mailto:lord@basiscraft.com 3. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 4. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss 5. https://www.fsf.org/twitter 6. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 7. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss --=_5686a282aaf09558d2a263f6f6cc69c2-- --===============6519282291837562657== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KbGlicmVwbGFu ZXQtZGlzY3VzcyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKbGlicmVwbGFuZXQtZGlzY3Vzc0BsaWJyZXBsYW5ldC5v cmcKaHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy5saWJyZXBsYW5ldC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9saWJyZXBs YW5ldC1kaXNjdXNzCg== --===============6519282291837562657==--