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[88.5.13.153]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id t5sm76415170wmd.15.2019.01.26.13.17.43 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 26 Jan 2019 13:17:43 -0800 (PST) To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org References: <938ef1bb-bb7e-54c3-5043-2aeb5fa9509d@forestfield.org> <20190119104143.GC1380@athena.localdomain> <20190120180102.GA1383@athena.localdomain> <6002c956-e2e9-e7dd-d31a-632a07d1761e@freecomputerlabs.org> <20190120220253.29b3ff5e@parabola> From: Julian Daich Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=julian.daich@freecomputerlabs.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFQeUy8BEACvmQtos/RgDUaz+B7Jb1uE/3s4E+d/9Vhgly8G7R14DAmOru7N5D01Hn8k XX5V8E5Vr3GCU1eHUcxqpkgr3HHsZYrEAAdh9KlQIXOR7tkUvFZ2c7tf/x++i8G+HBSzF/EL AnuHsGRy3JNJRQhn1lHMNeqAlxjxWkbjYlO+gqdjOzI4k3D55GroFbxkSLlSFGRTOR8Y/g/T MWKx4Fki7/dFoqjAL6yWzrhYO82JASVh0On2qZai9+wLMbZD63GHZoAsMFTHLkxjMp7jW/tu 1ITzcR0cvLS7RkSA9amOeZsTDHEEPLGz6IYzMH14IhGJ1UjsQLYnby1lMklzNv/f6BvPaYGp 2a8uvl3RmnZuJbCboeYZrOTUAT2U5nRU0eBK2I7sRQrd/URgxyVR5ayBk6/vF67Ro4mMdMHO XnbKB8MASnAV4co76hchq/gYSxe3kkNYjg3p1xZRrVgyNFHHIZbb3gyAJpM2Bc4SfFFrgvGY 6LU3CmmPIc4Ns67sbP+oJtFAXV9LggvEyDRqNP/trGZkxVIaiU3zptI7ccbzjMz3wUJ2mT/d Fa8T2Z9mQ2OvfDoBMBwM4CavL96yyO98QVgeT1juXgHoq5LgxUmfgtv4hJaa1bsmQv9yjv9b UxdsuBJx0rguxf8rfLb7GWHNc+wZLk3yt+0mYyim2mRfiU8eWwARAQABzSJKdWxpw6FuIERh aWNoIDxqdWxpYW5seEBnbWFpbC5jb20+wsGBBBMBAgArAhsjBQkJZgGABgsJCAcDAgYVCAIJ CgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAUCVB5aEQIZAQAKCRBQY6gk2mFhHiWlD/9Ba/Z8N2VzGjOLeyjBheZP 3swBDSpa9aJr70X75QXKpTjeux8HKOrms8478eSFxLflqC/6cxb/j2tDYFlG4sq6qqNoZuF1 NDeQFVXuXDKjljQVE9Tz9YeZrDQwX8eVDAc9h5Sykcv6e3FRLka/MTQsiXU/GBAI/Ay7P+qd XEfl746DMF1gaM2DPnYOtuXuRT6bOFLum2ONsq+qD1hx/JndSqQXMCTJG7NkBcRRVVmFFUW5 Fd49XtMr2V5JQWCemHOApkOMspDvb1FPpVFFUSwoXFg8C3bEuAqsuf9S7t4mo5iwv23UlMFb qxI4DFvteIkGbN6W+s1zucxBXYUjiS/8hTLf1YpuAZirHNVdUC2S13mBPQRPo37cpOBjMmh1 nR0+FJJ6qBmiYl5vhaEusNVHvUmn0xiZuI6jPi9lLmbNvSywnUCMuBixspLBTULIENK6o5o6 o5tfG/SeQPrxnTjTz/V1byUfnh2wG1nz88o0MqgBHVMjVSG3+hk0CDFM5jkEmiDYpmiZbT1o RWjNYD7/aeKbPj/FAWFpfF2UaVDfi6Exto3OXD+ZLpumDSJWqxrrpNh7ZE99LXVQtWCQtTaD 9ngOWab+QMl05FTvXa2j+eJjOpZHxOi5ZYwe32VLvvqj1W+70xq9bmQyb8cBPgrxB6ohzf+h AXfyW3KdK/JxJ87BTQRUHlMvARAA1LpOnE4cP/awOCRY1BofjC3J4c0cj000is5y8MA1pF7I 5ku0wW7Ci71mSFRjDH6Lgca5whROCIacL+ee6EmGK6QNMRUt11F92c4HVt1GxlT72s8Ro7DL JGCQqhlZLnzyvPrQ4EKmdpeyYlm625lrNsUeVZpQYJVhPoGE3w7w7wgiIfiOTROkSAEtz0vs SsV4NvcjwkMip8KcyXQUeToxTzo9oFMC7b/zy2BJi0F7PTZDNItkYnyPVauzPnSzDJLRDEQC /0VbTTE+FCeq8kYojDvZXclnoFyGXN8/+siluYhggVYejRjq5TxDqs37K8ohvx+YXIcOsLXE InMAgYfnl4yiTBzkzO1mRhLvW1CgstP0TZMDDWdlVjhWuZ54uDEhira+zbPPT28D4xcl7lgq K+Mm/7BhtvUIX02KtdVOfSMCeC9TtD6CdH15Sfws2lSo9YnZ/E75Hy06EltqNaafc1S8VuP/ VIAEP67IT4y5YOzY/Fik+67iyJN6luPh7Um0tIMUWJ9BC98uherFwH+C7CQ/uelfUizm7Oiq tYvXGTC5f5pAfc27hafq6dM/zEfMOK9qayOJSSa6xEnkOcSLleZDeQTTEE9h82tI/paSBc24 GqSiz4oSefCEZ8mDwzz1ulJDsIZuOU2RtuvYW+Ud8yloRSLyYv7g/EH1NOf6w9kAEQEAAcLB ZQQYAQIADwUCVB5TLwIbDAUJCWYBgAAKCRBQY6gk2mFhHqH6D/4y6qcOVfpn2+gTm8mFs1wC TBETE+l1FEpUBP4vwby4rReg6KML3088ro3mDGmkZeR09KRde5jG2+h1fGBJULZQwKqDkcLY uVjIe+oDUtmtdOL9L4WNpEhifhuxVTec48fzHv+f+rcJJU1HStbNJaIejK2FPyXbSnbWE1hn hd9rtZ5mTefRU0i6ag/je2FuezncvbqG9ftF6bJ6iuk9a3ifPujTql+4PX3VrklM3CSSFRgy l02awdtTGEo0o2N2Km+i0ootswoVlns+WHWjX04cE+P5MP6dJTt0cqeLxDqJvTODPQCNnDBc WMUYEZY2SdCivp1KZFBeZqL5Wp3TJY66mpFcD+EMltvdYFXS3OQQ+9digNkm/ZCa8M39rzTz cGiQ+vpTPPJ+4ByfkBMSwuFj1xObmKwpM8a9j+4yiF0KfgicVqERxqZKqF8b+Gn74WoQXn8O 7SgO+TM52NFuo6DCkJOS6D/Al/4w8ukqOQ84iLuwKIB6l/J1WhSeVnu4mgcv/7GK1w4gaYW1 KDff7cuZltwUONfEKsXzvnH//CdJOzgqggsFhHPUpSuJcCUvOvNvVz2PKZWRzg/OHrjhqpCn aEtzXz2D/r4zKy2v/cOEDUsXJ92XrCA+jiFkkkDRoLLZmIPUIs7fusOGmbZlnP1n6MXs9x1k dzMouxCa5uVJyw== Organization: Free Computer Labs Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 22:17:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190120220253.29b3ff5e@parabola> Content-Language: es-CO X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.221.52 Subject: Re: Free software is not trusted software X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" El 21/1/19 a las 4:02, bill-auger escribi=F3: > On Sun, 20 Jan 2019 23:54:16 +0100 Julian wrote: >> It will not be simpler and eventually more effective just to rank the >> trustability of the software according to the ratio of reviewers/ >> maintainers? > so, call me a negative nancy if you will, but i suggest that an > optimistic estimation of that ratio would be on the order of one > reviewer for each 10,000 to 100,000 software projects; = So it will be worth to advice users. The ratio I mentioned was only an example. There can be many ways to rank software trustability. > = > just for a grounding in reality here: there is probably more software > published, to github = Software can be defined as not trustable by default unless is reviewed. Specially in these bug repositories. It will benefit the big project/ users( Cannonical, IBM, Intel, Google, GNU, etc.) these entities/ people not only care about the quality of the software they include in their proyects, but also in the potential problems caused by the interaction with other programs. > everyone must be willing to accept the > risks associated with their own actions, and learn how to avoid the > activities which they consider to be dangerous; or else that person is > not responsible enough to competently manage themselves with that > particular level of freedom = Free Software, in special under the GPL, is under the user's risk. No warranties. > = > my > advice to anyone holding these concerns, is to trust your distro, use a > FSDG endorsed distro and do not use any software that your distro has > not provided - additionally, and as importantly: engage yourself with > your distro's developers, file bug reports, ask the experts about your > security concerns and for advice on how you can learn to manage them, > and so on - that is how bugs are found and fixed, and how privacy > concerns are identified and warned about or patched out; and that dialog > between users and devs seems to have been working quite well these many > years - = There is aonther point. Many Free Software users often confuse libre with gratis. Having Free Software does not mean that less skilled userd can ask the more skilled ones to add features or fix bugs for free. I mentioned the ranking solution because it is worth for me and also for other big and skilled parties. What we can do is starting to raise the alert. Best, Julian -- = Julian Daich julian.daich@freecomputerlabs.org FCL www.freecomputerlabs.org _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss