From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS3215 2.0.0.0/16 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:4830:134:3::11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50068208E3 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 05:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:53985 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dnHxh-0002qn-6P for e@80x24.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 01:24:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40814) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dnHxG-0002pN-9d for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 01:23:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dnHxB-00041d-Ud for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 01:23:50 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:48690) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dnHxB-00040B-FV for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 01:23:45 -0400 Received: from cotinga.riseup.net (unknown [10.0.1.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 664531A1D4E; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 05:23:42 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1504157023; bh=IIZ0i6MfH/u7qxaPPiLU2kxRzUsZUi6hT/yUFqmapHQ=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=ieWHwW+AACZX8zXUrZMnckniHdGmr67lu7c9Ox7En6rQfbmXx41jQycj3O//VAK0x Obj7THTaaln1ygMara3NIx5urkYORfUnwSwqoaEGyMfRz4vrs6q0HF4cocqNc4pVYu beRnWPuQbzuTQQ9KJuT960XB9sj5BkLg0FSwJoFk= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: wolftune@riseup.net) by (cotinga) with ESMTPSA id 1F8C9836EB To: Mike Gerwitz References: <7d0a3e56-f761-184c-5e51-8557dd043d56@lyberta.net> <4ed9c9e1-d8ec-df29-5700-70c6c246a02f@riseup.net> <537d3ec3-b054-75e0-0d11-cfa1f1ac43b8@lyberta.net> <736b7bc7-c823-cc48-f9be-717cac9b9526@riseup.net> <84af8f6e-0dfb-36b2-a8af-1adee31ef6e7@lyberta.net> <3c23d877-cff9-5dc8-e6fa-0bb234097ae3@riseup.net> <87wp5k8ptx.fsf@gnu.org> <4d46ee30-edda-8c55-bc11-1a7bfbfe9d9a@riseup.net> <87shg87266.fsf@gnu.org> From: Aaron Wolf Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 22:23:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87shg87266.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 198.252.153.129 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 Subject: Re: Adding [A]GPLv3+ code to Quake-based code base X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9096399564898263880==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --===============9096399564898263880== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Hn76TK2OVB41Dhr6W6486rioqu7BqrorU" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Hn76TK2OVB41Dhr6W6486rioqu7BqrorU From: Aaron Wolf To: Mike Gerwitz Cc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Adding [A]GPLv3+ code to Quake-based code base References: <7d0a3e56-f761-184c-5e51-8557dd043d56@lyberta.net> <4ed9c9e1-d8ec-df29-5700-70c6c246a02f@riseup.net> <537d3ec3-b054-75e0-0d11-cfa1f1ac43b8@lyberta.net> <736b7bc7-c823-cc48-f9be-717cac9b9526@riseup.net> <84af8f6e-0dfb-36b2-a8af-1adee31ef6e7@lyberta.net> <3c23d877-cff9-5dc8-e6fa-0bb234097ae3@riseup.net> <87wp5k8ptx.fsf@gnu.org> <4d46ee30-edda-8c55-bc11-1a7bfbfe9d9a@riseup.net> <87shg87266.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <87shg87266.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/30/2017 10:10 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote: > On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 21:48:03 -0700, Aaron Wolf wrote: >> What do you mean "only if modifications are made"? >> Can you cite the part of the license you read that way? >=20 > https://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-affero-gpl.html >=20 > "It has one added requirement: if you run a __modified__ program on a= > server and let other users communicate with it there, your server mus= t > also allow them to download the source code corresponding to the > modified version running there." (emphasis mine) >=20 > That page did not include "modified" some time ago (>1y); I brought it > to rms' attention out of confusion, and he corrected it. >=20 > As far as the actual license goes: >=20 > https://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl.html >=20 > "The GNU Affero General Public License is designed specifically to > ensure that, in such cases, the modified source code becomes availabl= e > to the community. It requires the operator of a network server to > provide the source code of the modified version running there to the > users of that server. Therefore, public use of a modified version, on= > a publicly accessible server, gives the public access to the source > code of the modified version." >=20 > Section 13: >=20 > "Notwithstanding any other provision of this License, if you modify > the Program, your modified version must prominently offer all users > interacting with it remotely through a computer network (if your > version supports such interaction) an opportunity to receive the > Corresponding Source of your version by providing access to the > Corresponding Source from a network server at no charge [...]" >=20 >> I certainly had the impression that, just like the GPL, the AGPL >> required making the source available whenever conveying, regardless of= >> modified status. >=20 > I had that impression too, a while back. >=20 Thanks. But damnit. Sounds like the AGPL has an unfortunate flaw here. Is there not even a requirement that people get any notice that the software being run is under AGPL at all, unless it's modified?? --Hn76TK2OVB41Dhr6W6486rioqu7BqrorU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJZp51dAAoJEAqe0lroYht7zdgQAM0Nu/cL1e/Lt9g8DpIn/wN7 +yleUd2tY+kmfgEA6ENcdhX2QXJz4UxfTFe6GKG9zqua4Zhnqfp5mqv4YgK03HAg 3kAotmmr41P0OmmHd3vFxZ5urNeTKCU5TGubJ0ZtvQIGBj9sc8qEN6p0v60imqip +SfRHl0+a0y9z/j3ZoLyfCCBOwBachMUnWv8/s3EpThmok1d40WCTkIPZfylxIxZ ovu5lvM+6+vUkxRfUoxmlCiE/1nfRhHzHTNBw05Blsk3oKxB2vVRy4vVUpTBcx0Y eO/an2xMDf3hm6suNQoU3oU40RuLJAye0z+j3OBPiH5mzwVinH0VhhCOhDhwdz6W t8yNTjfSjfqpnwhpf5n6otHSW8H9dq4sQX7kZ3c87NO//XElQ0TLw/zMzGIbPBBY jWJtK6eyvxrNLbeLz4YVCFoi40LXX9vqbbOHNNEEBnbOWjZRUL64DUjbKnwwONhg XU296LESrlb52s+18TE3A8pPfuL/1GmbqvEJiylP/YEMDaO8mEZMUHCvff8k5smb PrVfnyAm36MfizUEAUMrNXkGrgItQfAmLVQezs26tsgamEMwNHDwA9VTK71e7/Yw /nbfNHmLAlpJR61zZpczCsmqWy1DG4cKGQpBgsWHRigF9PUdaSVK1/H9imxmec/E LHI6aW0N0daCR4JtCchX =BUOv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Hn76TK2OVB41Dhr6W6486rioqu7BqrorU-- --===============9096399564898263880== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss --===============9096399564898263880==--