From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS22989 209.51.188.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81E691F453 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2019 22:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36986 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hKW1n-0001IT-6n for e@80x24.org; Sat, 27 Apr 2019 18:42:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48364) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hKW1V-0001IK-D2 for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Sat, 27 Apr 2019 18:42:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hKW1U-0003LD-8b for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Sat, 27 Apr 2019 18:42:21 -0400 Received: from bisque.maple.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.214.18]:15914) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hKW1T-0003HH-Iz for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Sat, 27 Apr 2019 18:42:20 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jbn@forestfield.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999955C4980 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2019 22:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a57.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.11.48]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3E2325C4755 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2019 22:42:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jbn@forestfield.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a57.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.2); Sat, 27 Apr 2019 22:42:13 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jbn@forestfield.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Irritate-Whistle: 0c515e3b4821295b_1556404933412_2660689979 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1556404933412:1443874802 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1556404933411 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a57.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a57.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81C68005E for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2019 15:42:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=forestfield.org; h=subject :to:references:from:reply-to:message-id:date:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= forestfield.org; bh=eCo4ZJtRHU+c1PWPBzwHKqil5d4=; b=Kl0fh6NBZ/zD z/ngz0b5Gqf5nqZmx+6XnMJOtnn3uo8s5vy/gif0CvDUq9rcjlUORJP0MORcKnUM 51unli92UA/tTkfIbnFZmL5GpT9NEfSSRDSGuYGSryhZVWBetkMjkh0tpU1TnzQM KfCF5SwN6Ca21Y7MtP422oUsXZFy6tM= Received: from [10.16.0.6] (static-68-235-35-188.cust.tzulo.com [68.235.35.188]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jbn@forestfield.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a57.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 692538006B for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2019 15:42:11 -0700 (PDT) To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org References: <5fbeed1d-ae6a-a53f-ba1d-e0db9ef6dfb1@gmx.com> <4a8da9727062d595e40aadd299445e7d@riseup.net> <448b4ceb-25cb-dc77-35b3-c2a2b9da8cfd@gmx.com> X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a57 From: "J.B. Nicholson" Mail-Followup-To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org Mail-Reply-To: libreplanet-discuss Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 17:42:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <448b4ceb-25cb-dc77-35b3-c2a2b9da8cfd@gmx.com> Content-Language: en-US X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduuddrheelgddugecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepuffvfhfhrhfkffgfgggjtgfgsehtjeertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpedflfdruedrucfpihgthhholhhsohhnfdcuoehjsghnsehfohhrvghsthhfihgvlhgurdhorhhgqeenucfkphepieekrddvfeehrdefhedrudekkeenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghloheplgdutddrudeirddtrdeingdpihhnvghtpeeikedrvdefhedrfeehrddukeekpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpedflfdruedrucfpihgthhholhhsohhnfdcuoehjsghnsehfohhrvghsthhfihgvlhgurdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjsghnsehfohhrvghsthhfihgvlhgurdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopehlihgsrhgvphhlrghnvghtqdguihhstghushhssehlihgsrhgvphhlrghnvghtrdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 23.83.214.18 Subject: Claims about Purism need backing: sources, quotes, further explanation X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: libreplanet-discuss Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" Taiidan@gmx.com wrote: > You're right, sometimes I get intensely bothered by them and their > dishonesty, apparent leverage over the FSF, insults of legitimate > companies etc. I think we all deserve sources and quotes to back up your assertions. Exactly what leverage does Purism have over the FSF? Where can we find these insults of legitimate companies (presumably made by Purism), and what exact text do you find to be insulting? > They sell "libre" laptops that have the hardware init entirely performed > via the Intel FSP binary blob, their website is dishonest and not up > front and even the name "Libre-M" is dishonest. They claim the ME is > disabled although the kernel and hw init code still runs. I think your point here could use some expansion: is it possible for a program running on the OS to get data to and from the ME? If so, how is this different from having an ME work like it does on most modern Intel-based computers? > They also imply they did more than just run ME cleaner which someone did > the work on. What's the URL for this and precisely where on that page would we find this implication? Please do quote the exact text. > [1](I don't want to up their search ranking) This pseudo-footnote is not good enough. Your desire to not increase their search ranking doesn't free you from an obligation to back up your point. _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss