From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS3215 2.0.0.0/16 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:4830:134:3::11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E108208CD for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 15:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:54709 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djofs-0001Mz-Au for e@80x24.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:31:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52659) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djofE-0001IW-Fv for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:30:53 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djofB-0004MF-Co for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:30:52 -0400 Received: from mail-wr0-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c0c::233]:35118) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djofB-0004Fg-1k for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:30:49 -0400 Received: by mail-wr0-x233.google.com with SMTP id k46so27598909wre.2 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:30:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=p4xIZ2BWUd3yzJuKWDdsi7VioD6ST5nPboxKawhzbpg=; b=WBXu5Huyp4YTpD6NiSF0stx1JJ4G+//EfquDUdsFC0VElMaD6Nme7xj5mZ3q+dtxn3 9zOjkF24Q6j4K/vcFSt191qBPNvf372TprzJCTlug/WL7yLXAa8JC1ADRbqJjRabGO+O wv9fDIwfNoRDwamAKjKbCoZ7KEggSkyK935o5WtokpOXHzN62LtUFEe6N0NoHLzrwzCa KVUzc6KIjSvzMPO4y94RQE7IgFpku0VV7mk1Fw2rWO6ZmM9twyyWLFCLsSMOpBcst3wa ZXHc88HXi0Ua2/PcwYtt7xYwQbpHXk02ZvryHzX4WSW/Tf91g8bDnqUW4vIhz9xQUG7h 4VKQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=p4xIZ2BWUd3yzJuKWDdsi7VioD6ST5nPboxKawhzbpg=; b=SBiCPuwdhZCH8PpqLxd5M6r6Ggt/1lsa5ELCi8HS7sFo/g9Ldxg7iBoR3Bv4F8Rn1u Kq9KBp2b7OxkBkm4MbeHahyyy8qE6SxQ6j1PzV+KxGzNQ2V25uU38EZagnMgN4Ik5mPe DxRYsappQX47EKisWbeyfGGBK4dY2MZo+DJ34vVPk3U9Zc7rz+KCU2PvB9443w/2pNS9 ybo9eDC4q7HykqAGPgV2urkuOV6GPs5JaQ25zBdro/OzvXeFrmuyT8T6CozIwI3qXabb zr5ua7Y98fYCBnjHDgvCj9vqy3BDmtLC7fdqezNhkjIWWH8CAckzRG8hF+Go6h/XX08J dGWA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5j4vs6S9wNj/LGoTdQs/F6YibOXgVwveJH+vL4D0BncgZwjKzIs deZsZZi2QOcJcV41 X-Received: by 10.28.127.138 with SMTP id a132mr6918662wmd.91.1503329446246; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.234.133.235] ([129.234.133.235]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id g51sm5189112wrg.92.2017.08.21.08.30.45 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:30:45 -0700 (PDT) To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org From: Pen-Yuan Hsing Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 16:30:44 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en-GB X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c0c::233 Subject: Does VIA's x86 CPUs have non-free "ME"s? X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" Dear Libreplanet, As we all know, a major problem with Intel (and AMD) x86 CPUs is that they come with a proprietary "Management Engine (ME)" (or "Platform Security Processor" for AMD) that is not only non-free but also with demonstrated security holes. I just recalled that VIA Technologies also have a line of x86 CPUs [1]. Do VIA CPUs also have the equivalent of the much-maligned ME? Or are VIA CPUs more freedom-respecting? Would it help software freedom at all (or not?) to use VIA CPUs instead? I'm curious! [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA_Technologies#Processors _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss