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boundary="000000000000d3079e0605e23482" --000000000000d3079e0605e23482 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Minds could be categorized as a "free speech zone" social network which > are typically popular with fascists so count me out. Fascism and freedom of speech are entirely incompatible and antithetical to each other. It could be true that fascist today use free speech platforms, but it is certainly not what they desire. >From reading from the FSF/GNU websites, it has always been my impression that freedom of speech is valued by the free software community, in a way it certainly is not by fascists. Indeed, filtering what one reads and publicly writes through the erratic whims of some corporation, typically guided by capitalist interests and the need to applease advertisers, as it usually happens on most platforms (such as X and Facebooks), implies restricting one's behavior in a way akin to what proprietary software leads to. > The licensing of the minds project is also questionable. Elgg dual-licenses the project, except plugins, under both the MIT license and the GPL 2. Obviously, if someone uses the whole of Elgg, they effectively have to use it under the GPL 2. Now, I agree with the GitHub comment, on the Elgg issue, that you referenced. Indeed, if Elgg is packaged with GPL-2.0 only plugins, it must have the GPL-2.0-only license (as a package). However, the issue is specifically about the identifier of the license for the whole package (for automated tools), which is not what is in question here. If someone uses Ellg without plugins, they can do so under the MIT license, which is, of course, AGPL-compatible. The project which is actually derived from Elgg is: https://gitlab.com/minds/engine Indeed, the situation wasn't clear to me at first, so I asked. Minds is using the portion of Elgg which is released under the MIT license and is complying with the MIT license (in a way my dumb self didn't notice because I looked everywhere except the LICENSE file, which I assumed to be just the text of the AGPL): https://gitlab.com/minds/engine/-/issues/2647 I do have some issues with Minds, but as far as licensing is concerned, in relation to Elgg, it seems fine with me. --000000000000d3079e0605e23482 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Minds could be categorized as a "free speech zone" social network which > are typically popular with fascists so count me out. Fascism and freedom of speech are entirely incompatible and antithetical to each other. It could be true that fascist today use free speech platforms, but it is certainly not what they desire. From reading from the FSF/GNU websites, it has always been my impression that freedom of speech is valued by the free software community, in a way it certainly is not by fascists. Indeed, filtering what one reads and publicly writes through the erratic whims of some corporation, typically guided by capitalist interests and the need to applease advertisers, as it usually happens on most platforms (such as X and Facebooks), implies restricting one's behavior in a way akin to what proprietary software leads to. > The licensing of the minds project is also questionable. Elgg dual-licenses the project, except plugins, under both the MIT license and the GPL 2. Obviously, if someone uses the whole of Elgg, they effectively have to use it under the GPL 2. Now, I agree with the GitHub comment, on the Elgg issue, that you referenced. Indeed, if Elgg is packaged with GPL-2.0 only plugins, it must have the GPL-2.0-only license (as a package). However, the issue is specifically about the identifier of the license for the whole package (for automated tools), which is not what is in question here. If someone uses Ellg without plugins, they can do so under the MIT license, which is, of course, AGPL-compatible. The project which is actually derived from Elgg is: [1]https://gitlab.com/minds/engine Indeed, the situation wasn't clear to me at first, so I asked. Minds is using the portion of Elgg which is released under the MIT license and is complying with the MIT license (in a way my dumb self didn't notice because I looked everywhere except the LICENSE file, which I assumed to be just the text of the AGPL): [2]https://gitlab.com/minds/engine/-/issues/2647 I do have some issues with Minds, but as far as licensing is concerned, in relation to Elgg, it seems fine with me. References 1. https://gitlab.com/minds/engine 2. https://gitlab.com/minds/engine/-/issues/2647 --000000000000d3079e0605e23482-- --===============8808098515629112214== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KbGlicmVwbGFu ZXQtZGlzY3VzcyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKbGlicmVwbGFuZXQtZGlzY3Vzc0BsaWJyZXBsYW5ldC5v cmcKaHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy5saWJyZXBsYW5ldC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9saWJyZXBs YW5ldC1kaXNjdXNzCg== --===============8808098515629112214==--