From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on starla X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D1F51F55F for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2023 13:54:34 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: dcvr.yhbt.net; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20230601 header.b=JDC1rBCz; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qkm23-0004v6-E5; Mon, 25 Sep 2023 09:53:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qjsCk-0005PQ-3H for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2023 22:17:10 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-x635.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::635]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qjsCi-0003ng-4k for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2023 22:17:09 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-x635.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-9aa0495f9cfso1032882566b.1 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2023 19:17:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1695435423; x=1696040223; darn=libreplanet.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=N7K4I9GFEJtNuiAbonpIgVxP50NmogXetj3hzLRmoWs=; b=JDC1rBCzIYflhlDV3lZfNRwdXRQJyb3mEdn6K/W1SDR9MriRy3yhTbi7TWQVNT2fmC xRy0pZlRwSta+IGZjZbV1wKhXw26esFFLOyLkW/XokTvGjAV8xDUh0dGlqhMe/qiGzIT t4edSPTvd4b6FSmob3ShobLIuQbdLiNSNWPF/Bh7TAk3oA2dXhNfS05npn3IkPqAhEHf tLNSASZH78v38ZTkixhZlyw/CwUCvB8llVOgj0nRVlgsi2bqlm27UTFt1m/StCxBLpNI 5cD3nRWg1aRAsgMH/0Tn8tic5Ve3tO7DGTlfwxcqBuwDJZo+4bd6tX4DRlL+eixvqINZ rfZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1695435423; x=1696040223; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=N7K4I9GFEJtNuiAbonpIgVxP50NmogXetj3hzLRmoWs=; b=mDZAP5iWOUOig8DCeCMeA1wxVDXPlz6ITIklKR5LN/SPzcGFDY5J7iYSojS+Bi//gY qnUpm4oXCwV2lbMOniA2CEVBsCIlpcOoS076fn7s1yWYIFNLtItr5hKbmd0CqJEIAaGK hWhSXoSvtnbNPnPkOoeONohJtk0rkLGsK0jccRJFVkdyvKGBmYOIf43ihffeBszxmRIt cCygnd1NRzyENBfpoOZcbWEDcQKtp8jBf964x8g4Ur/X8a0bjJAxF1Z8YtNNMDEKpYyY TH1bJ2e3koJJFKt+eTErR1dqTqrKsK67T6gCPVhpLWTUdsu1RK6jiIWJerGXoyba5xKJ exRg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwqwoSGLx/3V2fLJFSWlsocsRz2tuxH9hEf+ryYoDZM/G4MctrC VZKTSRK7Pjkme0vdJlQvuicabjJ1A1HhqMYSpaY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGgbHNzjF7iWS+CKJNvaC7gMThIULJ/yEILd0gPngWFaMQtrfKS4rhnLAUGtw7TdPiSAZTmIIhG70G+er7fafc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:309a:b0:99c:5056:4e31 with SMTP id 26-20020a170906309a00b0099c50564e31mr2019587ejv.15.1695435423146; Fri, 22 Sep 2023 19:17:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8ffb3902-33b2-7283-ba51-f1ea4acab528@fsf.org> <23e8b9c2-a729-f775-e079-e4fcfcaf4511@fsf.org> In-Reply-To: From: Valentino Giudice Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2023 04:16:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minds.com To: Leland Best Cc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::635; envelope-from=valentino.giudice96@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x635.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 09:53:44 -0400 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0936276810612822516==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org --===============0936276810612822516== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000022e5f60605fd5219" --00000000000022e5f60605fd5219 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I am not American, but I of course agree with Leland. Freedom of speech is not just a law or a legal principle. It is a fundamental human right. This does not mean that anyone specifically *ought* to provide that right (for example, I do not think that platforms should be forced to host content). However, it's important that people have access to that right. Legally, the US, like every country, do have some absurd restrictions on freedom of speech, such as those caused by software patents: https://wiki.endsoftwarepatents.org/wiki/Freedom_of_expression or DRM systems: https://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/lawsuit_could_be_beginning_end_drm. However, within the bounds of whatever the laws of any specific jurisdiction allow, we should strive to maximize access to freedom of speech and of expression, as well as to promote a free speech culture. Freedom of speech has always been a value of the free software community and the hacker community, and to associate it with fascism is bizarre to say the least. Filtering what we read and write through the whims of those trying to please advertisers isn't wise. Censorship is an anti-feature. For Leland, I should mention that Michael, at the FSF, is part of the staff (web developer), but not of the board and he is not the executive director. In general, the FSF has always supported freedom of speech. I already provided a reference for that. But, of course, this could sadly have changed, as it has for other organizations. If, as I hope, we manage to solve FreeCaptcha's problem by building a free alternative, if a viable one doesn't exist yet, I think it would be consistent with the principle of the FSF to add Minds to the platform it uses. Until then, however, and this is slightly out of topic for the thread, I think the FSF should support Nostr, which is a public domain protocol with free software clients, the same way it currently supports ActivityPub, as it has many of the same benefits (not necessarily all) and corrects some significant shortcomings. --00000000000022e5f60605fd5219 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I am not American, but I of course agree with Leland. Freedom of speech is not just a law or a legal principle. It is a fundamental human right. This does not mean that anyone specifically *ought* to provide that right (for example, I do not think that platforms should be forced to host content). However, it's important that people have access to that right. Legally, the US, like every country, do have some absurd restrictions on freedom of speech, such as those caused by software patents: [1]https://wiki.endsoftwarepatents.org/wiki/Freedom_of_express ion or DRM systems: [2]https://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/lawsuit_could_be_beg inning_end_drm. However, within the bounds of whatever the laws of any specific jurisdiction allow, we should strive to maximize access to freedom of speech and of expression, as well as to promote a free speech culture. Freedom of speech has always been a value of the free software community and the hacker community, and to associate it with fascism is bizarre to say the least. Filtering what we read and write through the whims of those trying to please advertisers isn't wise. Censorship is an anti-feature. For Leland, I should mention that Michael, at the FSF, is part of the staff (web developer), but not of the board and he is not the executive director. In general, the FSF has always supported freedom of speech. I already provided a reference for that. But, of course, this could sadly have changed, as it has for other organizations. If, as I hope, we manage to solve FreeCaptcha's problem by building a free alternative, if a viable one doesn't exist yet, I think it would be consistent with the principle of the FSF to add Minds to the platform it uses. Until then, however, and this is slightly out of topic for the thread, I think the FSF should support Nostr, which is a public domain protocol with free software clients, the same way it currently supports ActivityPub, as it has many of the same benefits (not necessarily all) and corrects some significant shortcomings. References 1. https://wiki.endsoftwarepatents.org/wiki/Freedom_of_expression 2. https://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/lawsuit_could_be_beginning_end_drm --00000000000022e5f60605fd5219-- --===============0936276810612822516== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KbGlicmVwbGFu ZXQtZGlzY3VzcyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKbGlicmVwbGFuZXQtZGlzY3Vzc0BsaWJyZXBsYW5ldC5v cmcKaHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy5saWJyZXBsYW5ldC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9saWJyZXBs YW5ldC1kaXNjdXNzCg== --===============0936276810612822516==--