From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS22989 209.51.188.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80A1C1F4CE for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2022 06:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:41684 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nZoN7-0003KP-4l for e@80x24.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2022 02:33:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33668) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nZoM6-0003KB-CW for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2022 02:32:26 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-f175.google.com ([209.85.208.175]:36664) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nZoM4-0007I3-Ab for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2022 02:32:26 -0400 Received: by mail-lj1-f175.google.com with SMTP id v12so17952913ljd.3 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:32:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oQuwEUGeRFwcGRbY8KznQGX38i1heOO1vRblOj7XgHI=; b=E1OzlfSnsVwOWUb6OErM8eLnigyW8w8kIaFgvI+xk+mFiOkFfVTP+0pNKzliILUlmr 4S52sUqI8sbK+etUZczC05kfwznMWk0WktYcr3VLD4znKPwW11+hDcjfJnpWJOoSFhdV APzi0YBKIRI2ydJrEa+Ri6yluGULK80kVei53d4ckglHmsHCmMiEN1jrAmmViECwf+Ej BFHpDvfBbpTvi4nirC5C078cCeo7d3UJ7i6dFSU4i5rtKYM/Ww89HHHuYVw0DQePIdsG k0ceCzEwsqr+LXFWw8AWc+3LHgOvDwVNHrKuJQ0f4sx/i1wxVIU/aLegLVyCOXXx/9eh rdUQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530iHyx5EiFr0RvDWFxfsHW+3euarIFwMY/Ryw8/lJGkFaAEriw/ l0e8kSo8NsrtzMbtJ3OXvJf4xdkkSoWOU7H27QA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzi8mj5btS8SV3z4SFzRkoKWavfgfLBZWx75nq5PZVzs32kujkQSa7/BKAkuuXiFwt7wgnxjx+pao7O7YyfnhE= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9d83:0:b0:246:2c6:79df with SMTP id c3-20020a2e9d83000000b0024602c679dfmr9239592ljj.280.1648708342229; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:32:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <25b59d57-597d-4ef4-9e93-2c067a1d81fc@rixotstudio.cz> <22a92f68-4656-b70d-fb23-fcce1c96414a@riseup.net> <30611aa0-3349-e5ee-b456-bcb7109ea896@fsf.org> <1838037285.585940.1646408572166@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: Ole Aamot Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 08:32:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Should we take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?> the headache of it all dissolves in forgiveness To: Magnus Cc: "rms@gnu.org" , Jacob Hrbek , libreplanet-discuss Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.208.175; envelope-from=ole.aamot@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-f175.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6434117860412822619==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" --===============6434117860412822619== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000013b10505db7dd3e5" --00000000000013b10505db7dd3e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The code is in GNOME Gitlab and free to fork, ignore or co-operate with. http://gitlab.gnome.org/ole/gnome-radio There is a Issue tracker, feel free to file issues in http://gitlab.gnome.org/ole/gnome-radio/-/issues or send merge requests. On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 08:14 Magnus, wrote: > The cure against hateful speech is constructive speech. As Richard wrote > in Free Software, Free Society, there is a link between knowing the law of > a country and knowing the software that runs on computers you control. > The Internet makes the world one society and we must take greater care in > knowing the consequences of our actions. Else we as creators manifest a > tyrannical rule. XAI must be part of a free global siblinghood. > > On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 00:44 Ole Aamot, wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 5:22 AM Richard Stallman wrote: >> >>> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] >>> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] >>> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >>> >>> Free software means that the developers cannot decide who can use it >>> and who cannot. If we had the power to stop Russia from using a program, >>> we would also have the power to anyone else from using it. >>> That would not be free software. >>> >> >> True. >> >> We could become uncivil and block people from downloading a free software >> program, but there are no such (as far as I know) ipchains blocklists on >> www.gnomeradio.org, so >> there is no reason to do so either. We live in civil democracies, but >> Russia and Putin has invaded Ukraine. >> >> I have recently added Retro FM in Kyiv, Ukraine after discussions with >> Magnus (dizzi90@gmail.com), when we saw that someone with a Russian IP >> address deliberatedly tried to remove Retro FM from the list of Ukrainian >> radio stations on en.wikipedia.org, so we decided to loop censorship on >> Wikipedia and therefore published the station in GNOME Radio 16.0.6 for >> GNOME 42 to a global mirror of GNOME. >> >> See >> https://blogs.gnome.org/oleaamot/2022/03/19/gnome-radio-16-for-gnome-42/ >> and http://www.gnomeradio.org/ >> >> -- >> Ole Aamot >> Aamot Software / www.aamot.software >> Frydenbergveien, 0575 OSLO, Norway >> (+47) 45049800 / ole@aamot.software >> > --00000000000013b10505db7dd3e5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The code is in GNOME Gitlab and free to fork, ignore or co-operate with. [1]http://gitlab.gnome.org/ole/gnome-radio There is a Issue tracker, feel free to file issues in [2]http://gitlab.gnome.org/ole/gnome-radio/-/issues or send merge requests. On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 08:14 Magnus, <[3]dizzi90@gmail.com> wrote: The cure against hateful speech is constructive speech. As Richard wrote in Free Software, Free Society, there is a link between knowing the law of a country and knowing the software that runs on computers you control. The Internet makes the world one society and we must take greater care in knowing the consequences of our actions. Else we as creators manifest a tyrannical rule. XAI must be part of a free global siblinghood. On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 00:44 Ole Aamot, <[4]oka@oka.no> wrote: On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 5:22 AM Richard Stallman <[5]rms@gnu.org> wrote: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Free software means that the developers cannot decide who can use it and who cannot. If we had the power to stop Russia from using a program, we would also have the power to anyone else from using it. That would not be free software. True. We could become uncivil and block people from downloading a free software program, but there are no such (as far as I know) ipchains blocklists on [6]www.gnomeradio.org, so there is no reason to do so either. We live in civil democracies, but Russia and Putin has invaded Ukraine. I have recently added Retro FM in Kyiv, Ukraine after discussions with Magnus ([7]dizzi90@gmail.com), when we saw that someone with a Russian IP address deliberatedly tried to remove Retro FM from the list of Ukrainian radio stations on [8]en.wikipedia.org, so we decided to loop censorship on Wikipedia and therefore published the station in GNOME Radio 16.0.6 for GNOME 42 to a global mirror of GNOME. See [9]https://blogs.gnome.org/oleaamot/2022/03/19/gnome-radio-16-for-gnome -42/ and [10]http://www.gnomeradio.org/ -- Ole Aamot Aamot Software / [11]www.aamot.software Frydenbergveien, 0575 OSLO, Norway (+47) 45049800 / [12]ole@aamot.software References 1. http://gitlab.gnome.org/ole/gnome-radio 2. http://gitlab.gnome.org/ole/gnome-radio/-/issues 3. mailto:dizzi90@gmail.com 4. mailto:oka@oka.no 5. mailto:rms@gnu.org 6. http://www.gnomeradio.org/ 7. mailto:dizzi90@gmail.com 8. http://en.wikipedia.org/ 9. https://blogs.gnome.org/oleaamot/2022/03/19/gnome-radio-16-for-gnome-42/ 10. http://www.gnomeradio.org/ 11. http://www.aamot.software/ 12. mailto:ole@aamot.software --00000000000013b10505db7dd3e5-- --===============6434117860412822619== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KbGlicmVwbGFu ZXQtZGlzY3VzcyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKbGlicmVwbGFuZXQtZGlzY3Vzc0BsaWJyZXBsYW5ldC5v cmcKaHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy5saWJyZXBsYW5ldC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9saWJyZXBs YW5ldC1kaXNjdXNzCg== --===============6434117860412822619==--