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Are you sure? On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 10:36 AM Jean Louis wrote: > * C. Coss=C3=A9 [2021-08-18 20:33]: > > You are using proprietary software from the moment you wake up in th= e > > morning. Even the traffic lights on your way to the pharmacy use pr= op > > software. > > Proprietary software may run anything, this really does not matter as > those devices are not under ownership of the user. If it runs on > somebody's else computer it is not affecting the user who does not own > the computer or user's data. > > What matters is that third parties should not request or ask that > people install proprietary software and run it on personal devices as > that way people lose control over their computing. > > If that is so, then whichever party asks or demand by the law or some > other rule to run the proprietary software than this party should > guarantee by some value the functionality of software and that could > be acceptable if the party demanding it or government, PROVIDES THE > DEVICE, where that software would exclusively run. That is very > similar to various devices like heart beat or pulse measurement or > watches where inside proprietary software runs but does not affect the > user nor user's data. > > As if any law is enacted to run some software then that law cannot > demand people to buy smart phones or computers, the law must also say > that devices will be provided to people. > > Though I am against such new laws, and I consider it fascism. We are > in the new fascism area. > > Nobody should force people to install proprietary software on THEIR > devices as that is abuse of human rights. > > > Jean > > Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: > https://www.fsf.org/campaigns > > In support of Richard M. Stallman > https://stallmansupport.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss --000000000000ded7a105c9f0bbb8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Fascism? Are you sure? On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 10:36 AM Jean Louis wrote: * C. Cossé <[1]ccosse@gmail.com> [2021-08-18 20:33]: > You are using proprietary software from the moment you wake up in the > morning. Even the traffic lights on your way to the pharmacy use prop > software. Proprietary software may run anything, this really does not matter as those devices are not under ownership of the user. If it runs on somebody's else computer it is not affecting the user who does not own the computer or user's data. What matters is that third parties should not request or ask that people install proprietary software and run it on personal devices as that way people lose control over their computing. If that is so, then whichever party asks or demand by the law or some other rule to run the proprietary software than this party should guarantee by some value the functionality of software and that could be acceptable if the party demanding it or government, PROVIDES THE DEVICE, where that software would exclusively run. That is very similar to various devices like heart beat or pulse measurement or watches where inside proprietary software runs but does not affect the user nor user's data. As if any law is enacted to run some software then that law cannot demand people to buy smart phones or computers, the law must also say that devices will be provided to people. Though I am against such new laws, and I consider it fascism. We are in the new fascism area. Nobody should force people to install proprietary software on THEIR devices as that is abuse of human rights. Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: [2]https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman [3]https://stallmansupport.org/ _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list [4]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org [5]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discus s References 1. mailto:ccosse@gmail.com 2. https://www.fsf.org/campaigns 3. https://stallmansupport.org/ 4. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 5. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss --000000000000ded7a105c9f0bbb8-- --===============2503886782940495054== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KbGlicmVwbGFu ZXQtZGlzY3VzcyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKbGlicmVwbGFuZXQtZGlzY3Vzc0BsaWJyZXBsYW5ldC5v cmcKaHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy5saWJyZXBsYW5ldC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9saWJyZXBs YW5ldC1kaXNjdXNz --===============2503886782940495054==--