Re: Support RMS

[Deb Nicholson <deb@eximiousproductions.com>]

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Corporations are not behind the call for RMS to be accountable. Thousands
of individual people, including many former employees and free software
collaborators, have called for him to step aside. It actually serves the
opponents of free software quite well to have someone who pushes people
away and facilitates a hostile environment, be in charge of the FSF.

Also, RMS is not the free software movement. It's dangerous to conflate an
individual with a movement. To say that the "free software movement is
being attacked" when what's actually happening is that a bunch of
individuals are calling for one person to take responsibility for their
behavior is a sloppy generalization.

It's disappointing that so many people have chosen to disbelieve former FSF
employees, hundreds of women who have encountered RMS at conferences or MIT
and many, many free software creators. The vast majority of the people who
signed the letter asking for RMS to step down, care deeply about free
software. I wish more of you would try to consider that.

Best,
Deb


On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 11:23 AM Danny Spitzberg <stationaery@gmail.com>
wrote:

>    On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 6:36 PM Adrienne G. Thompson
>    <[1]adriennegayethompson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>    > The intent to destroy the Free Software Movement for the purposes of
>    procuring financial advantage might even be criminal and should be
>    investigated
>    This sounds like a big claim. What's the evidence?
>
>    It's not a "claim". We already know that corporations are behind the
>    attack. I explicitly proposed investigation. I'm sure you know the
>    meaning of "investigate". Here's one definition from [2]dictionary.com:
>    "Investigations are usually formal and official. The word ... is used
>    in many other contexts to refer to the process
>    of [3]investigating—systematically finding and examining [4]evidence."
>
>    It's a claim in the legal sense; any lawsuit you might bring would
>    bring a "claim" and seek adjudication.
>    If you know it as a fact and have evidence that corporations (and if
>    memory serves, certain government agencies) are behind the attacks on
>    our pure and flawless hero, you should add it to
>    [5]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman for the benefit of
>    all.
>
>    Adrienne
>    --
>    Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN!
>    References:
>     1. GNU C-Graph - [6]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
>     2. Code Art Now - [7]http://codeartnow.com
>     3. Abertheid Campaign - [8]http://www.abertheid.info
>     4. Follow me on Twitter @AdrienneGT @GNUcgraph
>     5. Let's Link Up: [9]https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
>    2. http://dictionary.com/
>    3. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/investigate
>    4. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/evidence
>    5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
>    6. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
>    7. http://codeartnow.com/
>    8. http://www.abertheid.info/
>    9. https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
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   Corporations are not behind the call for RMS to be accountable.
   Thousands of individual people, including many former employees and
   free software collaborators, have called for him to step aside. It
   actually serves the opponents of free software quite well to have
   someone who pushes people away and facilitates a hostile environment,
   be in charge of the FSF.
   Also, RMS is not the free software movement. It's dangerous to conflate
   an individual with a movement. To say that the "free software movement
   is being attacked" when what's actually happening is that a bunch of
   individuals are calling for one person to take responsibility for their
   behavior is a sloppy generalization.
   It's disappointing that so many people have chosen to disbelieve former
   FSF employees, hundreds of women who have encountered RMS at
   conferences or MIT and many, many free software creators. The vast
   majority of the people who signed the letter asking for RMS to step
   down, care deeply about free software. I wish more of you would try to
   consider that.
   Best,
   Deb

   On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 11:23 AM Danny Spitzberg
   <[1]stationaery@gmail.com> wrote:

        On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 6:36 PM Adrienne G. Thompson
        <[1][2]adriennegayethompson@gmail.com> wrote:
        > The intent to destroy the Free Software Movement for the
     purposes of
        procuring financial advantage might even be criminal and should
     be
        investigated
        This sounds like a big claim. What's the evidence?
        It's not a "claim". We already know that corporations are behind
     the
        attack. I explicitly proposed investigation. I'm sure you know
     the
        meaning of "investigate". Here's one definition from
     [2][3]dictionary.com:
        "Investigations are usually formal and official. The word ... is
     used
        in many other contexts to refer to the process
        of [3]investigating—systematically finding and examining
     [4]evidence."
        It's a claim in the legal sense; any lawsuit you might bring
     would
        bring a "claim" and seek adjudication.
        If you know it as a fact and have evidence that corporations (and
     if
        memory serves, certain government agencies) are behind the
     attacks on
        our pure and flawless hero, you should add it to
        [5][4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman for the
     benefit of
        all.
        Adrienne
        --
        Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN!
        References:
         1. GNU C-Graph - [6][5]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
         2. Code Art Now - [7][6]http://codeartnow.com
         3. Abertheid Campaign - [8][7]http://www.abertheid.info
         4. Follow me on Twitter @AdrienneGT @GNUcgraph
         5. Let's Link Up: [9][8]https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
     References
        1. mailto:[9]adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
        2. [10]http://dictionary.com/
        3. [11]https://www.dictionary.com/browse/investigate
        4. [12]https://www.dictionary.com/browse/evidence
        5. [13]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
        6. [14]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
        7. [15]http://codeartnow.com/
        8. [16]http://www.abertheid.info/
        9. [17]https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
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References

   1. mailto:stationaery@gmail.com
   2. mailto:adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
   3. http://dictionary.com/
   4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
   5. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
   6. http://codeartnow.com/
   7. http://www.abertheid.info/
   8. https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
   9. mailto:adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
  10. http://dictionary.com/
  11. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/investigate
  12. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/evidence
  13. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
  14. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
  15. http://codeartnow.com/
  16. http://www.abertheid.info/
  17. https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
  18. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
  19. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss

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