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From: Deb Nicholson <deb@eximiousproductions.com>
To: Danny Spitzberg <stationaery@gmail.com>
Cc: "Adrienne G. Thompson" <adriennegayethompson@gmail.com>,
	"Bradley M. Kuhn" <bkuhn@ebb.org>,
	 libreplanet-discuss <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>
Subject: Re: FSF Resign Awards: Call for Nominations
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:43:45 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAE3dWx8ujXOJvqi9janbx1boWD4ttt3mvY54EgrWdpG7kHQqeA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEYaDQOBJfeUP9BPHQKxiQtJaRZTZc-m1040VC7yLNPjrhtyYA@mail.gmail.com>


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On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 1:25 PM Danny Spitzberg <stationaery@gmail.com>
wrote:

>    I thought Bradley’s 2018 “state of the copyleft union“ talk at
>    LibrePlanet was a rare and important bit of positive
>    constructive criticism for free/libre software.
>    Sadly, it was met with mixed reactions from the audience- including RMS
>    who apparently saw it as defeatist, because he yelled “We’re not licked
>    yet!!” and then stormed the stage to give an impromptu rebuttal.
>    I don’t have much context for other contributions from Bradley, but
>    that one talk was a breath of fresh air and levelheadedness.
>    (Bradly, do you know the whereabouts of that talk, the notes, or dare I
>    imagine, the video?)
>

I think the FSF chose not to make that one available. Danny, thank you also
for speaking in favor of constructive criticism. No movement can survive an
allergy to discussion -- especially the discussion of problems and
challenges -- such as all too sadly been happening on this list lately.

The assumption that any discussion of tactics, or how the free software
movement might respond to changes in society or changes in the industry is
necessarily a smear campaign by Microsoft/Facebook/Etc has been extremely
tiresome.

Best,
Deb


>    On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 9:51 AM Adrienne G. Thompson
>    <[1]adriennegayethompson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         Re: nomination for the FSF Resign Awards:
>         For the internet drama "The Backstabber"
>         Bradley M. Kuhn:
>         Best Director
>         Best Open Source advocate
>         Friends, hackers, coders, men, lend me your ears!
>         Rise up to eject backstabbers of Freedom – not praise them;
>         The evil such men do lives after them
>         Ambition should be made of sterner stuff;
>         Oh judgement! Thou art fled to brutish beests
>         But not our GNU, though wilde, will not be tamed
>         By men – he/him they/them who have lost their reason;
>         Who conceal the yoke under Hats of garish colour Red,
>         Who steal upon Freedom, Softly, with Micro vision,
>         Or who, Google-eyed, seek to buy those entirely willing.
>         Who amongst us has the balls
>         And choose to lend them to our cause?
>         Will Rise Up and tear down walls
>         Intended to subvert our GPL laws?
>         #RiseUp and Gravitate to GNU!
>
>      [1][2]http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
>         Adrienne
>         --
>         Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN!
>         GNU C-Graph - [2][3]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
>         Code Art Now - [3][4]http://codeartnow.com
>         Abertheid Campaign - [4][5]http://www.abertheid.info
>         Follow me on Twitter @AdrienneGT @GNUcgraph
>         Notes:
>         Inspired by William Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar"; words spoken
>      by Mark
>         Antony:
>
>      [5][6]https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56968/speech-friends-ro
>      mans-c
>         ountrymen-lend-me-your-ears
>         On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 2:28 PM Adrienne G. Thompson
>         <[6][7]adriennegayethompson@gmail.com> wrote:
>         It is my sincere (dis)pleasure to make the following nomination
>      for the
>         Free Software Foundation Resign Awards:
>         For the internet drama "The Backstabber"
>         Bradley M. Kuhn:
>         Best Director
>         Best Open Source advocate
>         Calling on the Free Software community to post your nominations
>      now!
>         #RiseUp and Gravitate to GNU!
>
>      [7][8]http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
>         Adrienne G. Thompson
>         Principal and Executive Director, GNU C-Graph
>      References
>         1.
>      [9]http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
>         2. [10]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
>         3. [11]http://codeartnow.com/
>         4. [12]http://www.abertheid.info/
>         5.
>      [13]https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56968/speech-friends-roma
>      ns-countrymen-lend-me-your-ears
>         6. mailto:[14]adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
>         7.
>      [15]http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
>      _______________________________________________
>      libreplanet-discuss mailing list
>      [16]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
>      [17]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discu
>      ss
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
>    2. http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
>    3. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
>    4. http://codeartnow.com/
>    5. http://www.abertheid.info/
>    6. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56968/speech-friends-romans-c
>    7. mailto:adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
>    8. http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
>    9. http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
>   10. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
>   11. http://codeartnow.com/
>   12. http://www.abertheid.info/
>   13.
> https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56968/speech-friends-romans-countrymen-lend-me-your-ears
>   14. mailto:adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
>   15. http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
>   16. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
>   17. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
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   On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 1:25 PM Danny Spitzberg
   <[1]stationaery@gmail.com> wrote:

        I thought Bradley’s 2018 “state of the copyleft union“ talk at
        LibrePlanet was a rare and important bit of positive
        constructive criticism for free/libre software.
        Sadly, it was met with mixed reactions from the audience-
     including RMS
        who apparently saw it as defeatist, because he yelled “We’re not
     licked
        yet!!” and then stormed the stage to give an impromptu rebuttal.
        I don’t have much context for other contributions from Bradley,
     but
        that one talk was a breath of fresh air and levelheadedness.
        (Bradly, do you know the whereabouts of that talk, the notes, or
     dare I
        imagine, the video?)

   I think the FSF chose not to make that one available. Danny, thank you
   also for speaking in favor of constructive criticism. No movement can
   survive an allergy to discussion -- especially the discussion of
   problems and challenges -- such as all too sadly been happening on this
   list lately.
   The assumption that any discussion of tactics, or how the free software
   movement might respond to changes in society or changes in the industry
   is necessarily a smear campaign by Microsoft/Facebook/Etc has been
   extremely tiresome.
   Best,
   Deb

        On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 9:51 AM Adrienne G. Thompson
        <[1][2]adriennegayethompson@gmail.com> wrote:
             Re: nomination for the FSF Resign Awards:
             For the internet drama "The Backstabber"
             Bradley M. Kuhn:
             Best Director
             Best Open Source advocate
             Friends, hackers, coders, men, lend me your ears!
             Rise up to eject backstabbers of Freedom – not praise them;
             The evil such men do lives after them
             Ambition should be made of sterner stuff;
             Oh judgement! Thou art fled to brutish beests
             But not our GNU, though wilde, will not be tamed
             By men – he/him they/them who have lost their reason;
             Who conceal the yoke under Hats of garish colour Red,
             Who steal upon Freedom, Softly, with Micro vision,
             Or who, Google-eyed, seek to buy those entirely willing.
             Who amongst us has the balls
             And choose to lend them to our cause?
             Will Rise Up and tear down walls
             Intended to subvert our GPL laws?
             #RiseUp and Gravitate to GNU!

     [1][2][3]http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-
     gnu
             Adrienne
             --
             Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN!
             GNU C-Graph - [2][3][4]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
             Code Art Now - [3][4][5]http://codeartnow.com
             Abertheid Campaign - [4][5][6]http://www.abertheid.info
             Follow me on Twitter @AdrienneGT @GNUcgraph
             Notes:
             Inspired by William Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar"; words
     spoken
          by Mark
             Antony:

     [5][6][7]https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56968/speech-friends
     -ro
          mans-c
             ountrymen-lend-me-your-ears
             On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 2:28 PM Adrienne G. Thompson
             <[6][7][8]adriennegayethompson@gmail.com> wrote:
             It is my sincere (dis)pleasure to make the following
     nomination
          for the
             Free Software Foundation Resign Awards:
             For the internet drama "The Backstabber"
             Bradley M. Kuhn:
             Best Director
             Best Open Source advocate
             Calling on the Free Software community to post your
     nominations
          now!
             #RiseUp and Gravitate to GNU!

     [7][8][9]http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-
     gnu
             Adrienne G. Thompson
             Principal and Executive Director, GNU C-Graph
          References
             1.

     [9][10]http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gn
     u
             2. [10][11]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
             3. [11][12]http://codeartnow.com/
             4. [12][13]http://www.abertheid.info/
             5.

     [13][14]https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56968/speech-friends-
     roma
          ns-countrymen-lend-me-your-ears
             6. mailto:[14][15]adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
             7.

     [15][16]http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-g
     nu
          _______________________________________________
          libreplanet-discuss mailing list
          [16][17]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org

     [17][18]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-d
     iscu
          ss
     References
        1. mailto:[19]adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
        2.
     [20]http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
        3. [21]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
        4. [22]http://codeartnow.com/
        5. [23]http://www.abertheid.info/
        6.
     [24]https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56968/speech-friends-roma
     ns-c
        7. mailto:[25]adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
        8.
     [26]http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
        9.
     [27]http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
       10. [28]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
       11. [29]http://codeartnow.com/
       12. [30]http://www.abertheid.info/
       13.
     [31]https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56968/speech-friends-roma
     ns-countrymen-lend-me-your-ears
       14. mailto:[32]adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
       15.
     [33]http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
       16. mailto:[34]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
       17.
     [35]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discu
     ss
     _______________________________________________
     libreplanet-discuss mailing list
     [36]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
     [37]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discu
     ss

References

   1. mailto:stationaery@gmail.com
   2. mailto:adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
   3. http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
   4. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
   5. http://codeartnow.com/
   6. http://www.abertheid.info/
   7. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56968/speech-friends-ro
   8. mailto:adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
   9. http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
  10. http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
  11. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
  12. http://codeartnow.com/
  13. http://www.abertheid.info/
  14. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56968/speech-friends-roma
  15. mailto:adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
  16. http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
  17. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
  18. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discu
  19. mailto:adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
  20. http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
  21. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
  22. http://codeartnow.com/
  23. http://www.abertheid.info/
  24. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56968/speech-friends-romans-c
  25. mailto:adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
  26. http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
  27. http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
  28. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
  29. http://codeartnow.com/
  30. http://www.abertheid.info/
  31. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56968/speech-friends-romans-countrymen-lend-me-your-ears
  32. mailto:adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
  33. http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu
  34. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
  35. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
  36. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
  37. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-09-30 18:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-28 19:28 FSF Resign Awards: Call for Nominations Adrienne G. Thompson
2019-09-29 16:33 ` Adrienne G. Thompson
2019-09-29 17:21   ` Danny Spitzberg
2019-09-30 18:43     ` Deb Nicholson [this message]
2019-09-30 19:06       ` Lori Nagel via libreplanet-discuss
2019-09-30 19:36         ` Deb Nicholson
2019-09-30 19:21       ` Florian Snow
2019-09-29 21:40   ` Leah Rowe via libreplanet-discuss
2019-09-29 21:38 ` Leah Rowe via libreplanet-discuss
2019-09-29 21:44   ` Caleb Herbert

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