On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 3:08 PM Lori Nagel <jastiv@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Monday, September 30, 2019, 2:44:49 PM EDT, Deb Nicholson <
> deb@eximiousproductions.com> wrote:
>
>
>   On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 1:25 PM Danny Spitzberg
>   <[1]stationaery@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         I thought Bradley’s 2018 “state of the copyleft union“ talk at
>         LibrePlanet was a rare and important bit of positive
>         constructive criticism for free/libre software.
>         Sadly, it was met with mixed reactions from the audience-
>     including RMS
>         who apparently saw it as defeatist, because he yelled “We’re not
>     licked
>         yet!!” and then stormed the stage to give an impromptu rebuttal.
>         I don’t have much context for other contributions from Bradley,
>     but
>         that one talk was a breath of fresh air and levelheadedness.
>         (Bradly, do you know the whereabouts of that talk, the notes, or
>     dare I
>         imagine, the video?)
>
>
> >>>I think the FSF chose not to make that one available. Danny, thank you
>   also for speaking in favor of constructive criticism. No movement can
>   survive an allergy to discussion -- especially the discussion of
>   problems and challenges -- such as all too sadly been happening on this
>   list lately.
>   The assumption that any discussion of tactics, or how the free software
>   movement might respond to changes in society or changes in the industry
>   is necessarily a smear campaign by Microsoft/Facebook/Etc has been
>   extremely tiresome.
>   Best,
>   Deb
>
> I found the talk easily on libre planet media.  I thought it was a good
> talk.
>

Oh great! It wasn't listed here https://libreplanet.org/2018/program/
(maybe that was just an oversight.) Thanks for sharing!


> Bradly called for employees to stop being so afraid of their employers and
> stand up and ask for the software written during employment to be made
> copyleft under a free software license (like the gpl v3)  Richard Stallman
> was his usual self, but of course when Bradley mentioned Linux he really
> just meant Linux the kernel.
>
> State of the copyleft union — GNU MediaGoblin
> <https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/state-of-the-copyleft-union/>
>
> State of the copyleft union — GNU MediaGoblin
>
>
> <https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/state-of-the-copyleft-union/>
>
> There wouldn't really be any reason to hide that video.  People who may
> not have joined the FSF or gone to Libre Planet could still benefit from it
> if they care about free software and write software at work.
> Also, maybe some people thought it was defeatist, or thought that maybe
> copyleft was not necessarily the best tool to enforce software freedom.  I
> think the points made in this talk put an end more or less to that idea.
> It was certainly not a lay down and bsd everything talk.
>
>
>