Re: Support RMS> to Deb, all

From: quiliro@riseup.net
To: Danny Spitzberg <stationaery@gmail.com>
Cc: Deb Nicholson <deb@eximiousproductions.com>,
	gregor <podrzaj.gregor@gmail.com>, "Libre Planet\,
	World" <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>
Subject: Re: Support RMS> to Deb, all
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 23:34:55 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r1jax2xc.fsf@riseup.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEYaDQO56TREfY4+q_VzPvkD-OPtA5ZCVVj=pVsW3+5bBoeoyw@mail.gmail.com> (Danny Spitzberg's message of "Thu, 15 Apr 2021 18:31:15 -0700")

Danny Spitzberg <stationaery@gmail.com> writes:

> A great deal of assertions are flying around this list.
>
> People are selectively ignoring dozens of personal stories and
> experiences, apparently assuming it is all a massive conspiracy that
> has been boiling for decades. That seems to prevent productive
> communication, and it adds to an atmosphere that prevents happy
> hacking.

No.  People just feel that some persons should not control others'
decisions by way of harrassment. 

I did not receive the below email.  It is not in my spam directory
either.  I will respond to it inline.

> On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 6:13 PM <quiliro@riseup.net> wrote:
>
>  Deb Nicholson <deb@eximiousproductions.com> writes:
>
>  > Gregor could've saved us all a ton of time and just said that he doesn't
>  > care if women, or really anyone who would rather not be bullied,
>  > participates in free software.
>
>  I feel you are bullying us, Deb. 
>
> In what way do you feel bullied? 

You keep insisting in imposing your views.  They are clear.  Some people
agree and others don't.  Insisting gets you nowhere.  It is firing up
the environment.  It is making people get divided.  If that is what you
wanted, congratulations because you have achieved it.  It shows who is
who in the end.

You also keep accusing RMS without hard proof.

Those are the ways I have felt bullied by you because I am part of the
community and because I have studied the facts of the case.  I suggest
you take the legal route, if you really have a case against FSF or
against RMS.  Stop the harrassment to the community and stop dividing
the movement.

If you really want to help the free software movement, look for common
objectives, not cancelling people.  Work with what you can of RMS,
instead of focusing on what he is not able to provide for your
objectives.  If you have no common objectives, work with others instead
of continuing this divisive attitude.

>  Should I abandon my values and stop promoting freedom?
>
> My understanding is that Deb expilained an important pattern of
> responses by many people who have the right to their psychological and
> personal safety in community spaces. So this does strike me as
> somewhat ironic.

It is ok to express those feelings.  It is not ok to harrass by
insistence on something that she knows will not be accepted for whatever
reason and making us look gloomy.  It is not ok pressing others to
persecute people for their thoughts and expressions.

We are not OK with a witch hunt.  This was in the way it used to be in
Massachusets.  But witch hunts are a thing of the past ... 

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