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Fri, 20 Aug 2021 22:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [185.220.101.144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jahoti@envs.net) by mail.envs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Fri, 20 Aug 2021 22:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: COVID-19 testing To: fischersfritz@sent.at Cc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org References: <063f737d-bad0-0456-4027-ed37fc92b4b0@envs.net> Message-ID: <825e9f4c-6168-4979-aa40-ce00628e2695@envs.net> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 22:46:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.136.28; envelope-from=jahoti@envs.net; helo=mail.envs.net X-Spam_score_int: 11 X-Spam_score: 1.1 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam_report: (1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.347, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 13:44:54 -0400 X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: jahoti via libreplanet-discuss Reply-To: jahoti Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7554949382203140454==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --===============7554949382203140454== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WR49VYrxm8IOZjypb8BuRtcord4fZztaG" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --WR49VYrxm8IOZjypb8BuRtcord4fZztaG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="wEqSLGAjsEUOZ1IWLmNiBiyzptl6rb0hH"; protected-headers="v1" From: jahoti To: fischersfritz@sent.at Cc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org Message-ID: <825e9f4c-6168-4979-aa40-ce00628e2695@envs.net> Subject: Re: COVID-19 testing References: <063f737d-bad0-0456-4027-ed37fc92b4b0@envs.net> In-Reply-To: --wEqSLGAjsEUOZ1IWLmNiBiyzptl6rb0hH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 8/20/21 1:41 AM, fischersfritz@sent.at wrote: > jahoti writes: >> a good strategy might be asking what to do if you don't have a mobile >> phone (or pretending you don't). >=20 > This already is my strategy, and it fails. I think the problem is > that people don't know; that is, people without mobile phones are rare > staff either were never told what to do about it or were told but > forgot. They do try to advise me based on their own knowledge, beyond > official instructions, but it is very hard for people who use > smartphones to advise me on whether I need a smartphone, since there > could be a small, forgettable step of the process that requires a > smartphone. Very true; I extend my greatest sympathies to you for dealing with that. > jahoti writes: >> Also, as stupid a question as it is, have you seen >> https://www.nychealthandhospitals.org/covid-19-testing-sites/#manhatta= n >> ? If not, they might be useful, and if so then I concur with others th= at >> a good strategy might be asking what to do if you don't have a mobile >> phone (or pretending you don't). >=20 > [snip] > > I considered not mentioning this point about the doctor's office, since= > one might see it as the fault of the office and not related to software= > licensing. However, I see it as a reflection of dependance on > proprietary dis-services. I suspect most people in my position would > have search with proprietary a search engine for something like "covid > test in new york", and clicked on one of the proprietary pharmacy web > pages, and signed up in a way that does not respect their freedom. If > this is the common practice and office staff were not specifically > informed of alternatives, it is only reasonable that staff would not be= > able advise me on how to get tested. Indeed, it doesn't really seem fair to blame anyone except the software=20 vendors and lawmakers for this (and, if they had any other feasible=20 choice, the owners of the practice). > Unfortunately, that webpage links to a proprietary disservice (MyChart)= > nominally managed by the NYC Health + Hospitals but truly managed > by the company Epic. This disservice runs proprietary JavaScript. > I could call some places to see if there is an alternative, but > I suspect to encounter the same difficulties as everywhere else, so > I think I will stick with my current plan rather than looking > for other places. That's a completely respectable decision, and if you take/have taken it=20 I have nothing to offer except gratitude for you trying to bring light=20 to a critical issue. However, for any future people interested and you if you still have any=20 interest, some other possibilities: - I might have misunderstood the page, in which case I apologize;=20 however, that webpage is nominally for walk-in testing which (at least=20 to my assumption) means there's the option of just turning up and=20 getting a test. - if you have a community center or public facilities of some sort, that = might be a better place to ask for "low-tech" options, as they probably=20 need to support people who don't have those kinds of luxuries. - While I have no idea how effective it would be in Manhattan, a=20 last-resort option could be to call and suggest you think you have (or=20 might have) CoViD-19. 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