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To: Abe Indoria References: <87wmuca8j3.fsf@ypei.org> <87y1eq8rrd.fsf@ypei.org> <874jg73xbx.fsf@ypei.org> <97E00BC8-8943-4CAF-A06D-5D84462E4353@ypei.org> Content-Language: en-US Cc: Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=178.21.23.139; envelope-from=paulsutton@disroot.org; helo=layka.disroot.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 16:11:02 -0500 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss Reply-To: Paul Sutton Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0494740865341373932==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0494740865341373932== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------mVuqfn6G3r1JQDhLZauWe4Js" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------mVuqfn6G3r1JQDhLZauWe4Js Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 26/12/2023 23:16, Abe Indoria wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 26, 2023, 2:55 PM Yuchen Pei wrote: > > > > Not really. There are plenty of people with reasonable things to > say on xitter who for whatever reason stayed there. > > > Amusingly, when I was setting up a firefish instance for activitypub, > I took a look at mastodon.social (to see if I wanted to federate with > it or follow anyone there), their 'default-go-to' recommended > instance, and found absurdly similar level of toxicity there too. > Politician this that, Person this that etc. A ton of boosted comments > were fairly similar to what you'd find on say, X as constant > 'anger-engagements.' > > So I wholeheartedly agree. There are people on X that focus on what > they do best and are really good accounts (Depths of Wikipedia for > example), and similar on many ActivityPub instances. It's just a very > YMMV at this moment. > > abe I agree with this,  I would guess the main point we can try and push with the Fediverse is the ability to not simply block users but due to the centralized nature,  we can as users block whole instances. I think the reason mastodon.social is a hub for so much activity is that for a while it was pushed as the instance to go to, possibly in an attempted to help people who find it difficult to grasp the idea of instances and you can choose which  instance to be on,  This is understandable as it is a different model to what people are used to, and most beginner IT courses probably make little mention of federated services. paul , --------------mVuqfn6G3r1JQDhLZauWe4Js MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On 26/12/2023 23:16, Abe Indoria wrote: On Tue, Dec 26, 2023, 2:55 PM Yuchen Pei <[1]id@ypei.org> wrote: Not really. There are plenty of people with reasonable things to say on xitter who for whatever reason stayed there. Amusingly, when I was setting up a firefish instance for activitypub, I took a look at mastodon.social (to see if I wanted to federate with it or follow anyone there), their 'default-go-to' recommended instance, and found absurdly similar level of toxicity there too. Politician this that, Person this that etc. A ton of boosted comments were fairly similar to what you'd find on say, X as constant 'anger-engagements.' So I wholeheartedly agree. There are people on X that focus on what they do best and are really good accounts (Depths of Wikipedia for example), and similar on many ActivityPub instances. It's just a very YMMV at this moment. abe I agree with this, I would guess the main point we can try and push with the Fediverse is the ability to not simply block users but due to the centralized nature, we can as users block whole instances. I think the reason mastodon.social is a hub for so much activity is that for a while it was pushed as the instance to go to, possibly in an attempted to help people who find it difficult to grasp the idea of instances and you can choose which instance to be on, This is understandable as it is a different model to what people are used to, and most beginner IT courses probably make little mention of federated services. paul , References 1. mailto:id@ypei.org --------------mVuqfn6G3r1JQDhLZauWe4Js-- --===============0494740865341373932== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KbGlicmVwbGFu ZXQtZGlzY3VzcyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKbGlicmVwbGFuZXQtZGlzY3Vzc0BsaWJyZXBsYW5ldC5v cmcKaHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy5saWJyZXBsYW5ldC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9saWJyZXBs YW5ldC1kaXNjdXNzCg== --===============0494740865341373932==--