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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::32b X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0455456264093658573==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" --===============0455456264093658573== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You replied privately, offlist. Was it intentional? If yes, why: I see no= thing secret there? If no, may I resent it back to the list? David wrote: >> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 23:47:42 +0300 >> Dmitry Alexandrov <321942@gmail.com> wrote: >> > David wrote: >> > > Calling such actions "censorship" is a very extreme reaction IMHO as= the very same core points could have been made in a less excitable manner = without potential breaching of the above linked guidelines >> >=20 >> > That=E2=80=99s curious. Could you elaborate, please, why censoring du= e to form rather than due to substance is not censorship? No dictionary av= ailable to me suggest it. > Sorry to double send but, on review, I think a bit more explanation is n= eeded. > the points in question can avoid censorship, or hit it head on, dependin= g on how they are put. Daniel was triggering blocking/censorship head on by= stating his points in a way which breached the guidelines on many levels > It would have been a rather trivial matter for Daniel to have stated his= key points in a non-controversial way > I hope I've clarified this for you now but if I can be of more assistanc= e please let me know. Thank you for a thorough explanation of censor=E2=80=99s motives. But... I= suppose now, my question was poorly phrased: I had to clarify, that it act= ually has nothing do to with Daniel=E2=80=99s letter specifically, but to = =E2=80=98censorship=E2=80=99 in general. As you noticed, I am not an Anglophone, so on reading your remark, I suspec= ted that I misunderstood how the word =E2=80=98censorship=E2=80=99 is used = in English. 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