On Sep 23, 2019, at 8:07 AM, John Sullivan wrote: Disagreement and discussion here is great. This particular message went over the line and violates the list standards. Both because it accuses people who disagree of murder, and because it's carrying on personal grudges most of us have seen in many other places on the Internet for years. I have to disagree. Some of the claims being made do have some grain of truth. I would actually say that it does not go far enough. Things like these are stressful for everyone involved and it is not that far out to claim that it could cause or trigger health issues. Sadly, no one has brought up the conflict of interest between the OSI and the FSF. John, you hired Molly while she had some involvement with the OSI, did you not? Censorship, language manipulation, virtue signaling and downplaying claims without a coherent counterargument are all tools use to slander / bully people. I am appalled that so many in the community exhibit these regressive behaviors when they become uncomfortable with the direction of the conversation. RMS did not deserve the treatment that he received with this debacle and I deeply regret not speaking out in the past when others in our community were being lynched by the holier-than-thou mob. I think that it is valid to want a list / index of people who were wrongly slandered and their professional careers destroyed. Those who think they are on the “right side of history” should re-think how they are handling this[1]. While I don’t agree with a lot of what RMS says, I will fight against the slander and argue that the world is a better place because of the work that he has done. [1] First they came... [1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... — Robert Call(bob) bob@bobcall.me References 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...