From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS22989 209.51.188.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B5E81F953 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 08:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:54520 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmXRD-0005UD-6T for e@80x24.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 03:34:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52234) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmXQx-0005U3-Ch for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 03:33:47 -0500 Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:56916) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmXQr-00039T-F0 for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 03:33:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4DF72C21 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 09:33:39 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at disroot.org Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TV4uHeApQGZI for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 09:33:37 +0100 (CET) To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1636965217; bh=J6psotNkjAc/FnlBDXdtzLE8bW5EtHyeAZLEJtys2Qc=; h=To:References:From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To; b=XAmD5KtgD69k82Ist58GfpVETlGBu7nVWbiRKOdyvbCKsbCjyc+jq0CKJw4MyB+bw XGBcnwwDgduVsqDo5ntCTphvBJoHMnknRsVPDvyik4arag1DrvsZe3H13h1lOePo8j hhHmiIrPRkYyBiqpOo66Ah9stgBbZgFkDEmXp++BvTT32DrLZ6IH6uI9i+Z4Recq2p heHewhuv4TEfy4XHpBrfjm95UadKHZrMBJUHWB9p6k9cLINOtNroBCa5VAGlfHo6DQ xwaujZ/pajdIenXxEtQtStl0fwKm5T4GLQF6wHmXYm0DFhOWi2vov9eEB38+cpdqo1 eoFdWYto/grxg== References: <08963fd909cf95f9b08528b74ed10ffc@basiscraft.com> Subject: Re: federated free software movement Message-ID: <39835c25-7381-1432-a079-d62a78cb7683@disroot.org> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 08:33:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <08963fd909cf95f9b08528b74ed10ffc@basiscraft.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=178.21.23.139; envelope-from=paulsutton@disroot.org; helo=knopi.disroot.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_TEMPERROR=0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss Reply-To: Paul Sutton Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5145796428371438719==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --===============5145796428371438719== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jnxGy8EgYKBbzFU3aEdKhI6eZwmrL6G1N" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --jnxGy8EgYKBbzFU3aEdKhI6eZwmrL6G1N Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="cbmnWBKvLaijPxwLacuudsijIQMMRvg0G"; protected-headers="v1" From: Paul Sutton To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org Message-ID: <39835c25-7381-1432-a079-d62a78cb7683@disroot.org> Subject: Re: federated free software movement References: <08963fd909cf95f9b08528b74ed10ffc@basiscraft.com> In-Reply-To: <08963fd909cf95f9b08528b74ed10ffc@basiscraft.com> --cbmnWBKvLaijPxwLacuudsijIQMMRvg0G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 14/11/2021 20:27, Thomas Lord wrote: >=20 > I think the FSF should have gone in this direction a long > time ago. >=20 > I think it is a very good idea to add to what you described: >=20 > a. Distributed decentralized business models that are NOT > =C2=A0=C2=A0 "getting paid to program" or "getting paid to contribute > =C2=A0=C2=A0 to a software development project". >=20 > b. Those business models aimed at spreading the personal > =C2=A0=C2=A0 use of free software, and enjoyment of software freedom, > =C2=A0=C2=A0 by people who don't program or who don't identify > =C2=A0=C2=A0 as programmers >=20 > c. That includes both service and HW provisioning components. >=20 > d. These businesses should be designed to keep product prices > =C2=A0=C2=A0 low, to increase accessibility -- yet include enough of a= > =C2=A0=C2=A0 human element to be hard to reproduce at large scale. >=20 > e. The businesses should achieve real economies of scale through ... > =C2=A0=C2=A0 federation. >=20 > Trivial boring example: Entry level desktops, preloaded, with > support -- and a federation of those businesses that cooperates > freely to maintain the shared distribution they use. >=20 > Of course, that kind of thing can be infinitely specialized -- e.g. > a federation of small businesses that provide DAWs (music production > and performance software). >=20 > The idea is to make enough money to live comfortably without > trying to hoard software, supporting a lifestyle of cooperating > on maintaining and extending that software freely. >=20 > -t +1 We could add to this that the environmental impact is that we also get=20 to use older hardware longer, I think there is some research somewhere = on the cost making new laptops vs using older laptops for longer until=20 they just stop working. I know there are movements such as free cycle that that take hardware=20 and recycle it, this also creates jobs etc. Paul >> What if there was a combined Free Software, OSHW and Right to Repair >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 group, providing ideological leadership in a peer to peer= fashion via >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 federated services (including Git-based code hosting) and= an emphasis >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 on teaching how to self-host your own federated hosting=20 >> infrastructure? >> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 I'm discussing this on my twitter too: >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 [1]https://twitter.com/n4of7/status/1459522798892859399 >> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 And on Mastodon. [2]https://mas.to/@libreleah/10727013526= 1193137 >> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 However, I'm also seeking discussion here on this list. >> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 I wish to gauge the public's response before I proceed fo= r real. Plus, >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 I intend to bring people onboard to help me start this ne= w initiative. >> >> References >> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 1. https://twitter.com/n4of7/status/1459522798892859399 >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 2. https://mas.to/@libreleah/107270135261193137 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> libreplanet-discuss mailing list >> libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org >> https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss >=20 > _______________________________________________ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss --=20 -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ Pronoun : him/his/he OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 --cbmnWBKvLaijPxwLacuudsijIQMMRvg0G-- --jnxGy8EgYKBbzFU3aEdKhI6eZwmrL6G1N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- wsD5BAABCAAjFiEEQ1CRxMj7aBsjpnlEjqkbUeJ+PZkFAmGSG2AFAwAAAAAACgkQjqkbUeJ+PZnK 8gv/TokobSJRi8gmE750kglW/ZN1BnvszDD3Uyl9174G1UDS58/6yzm18Ji5NHGcfRURN0FZPB/c UrKmVU3wb1Yek7ubtddPoZWha7eYfQM3e0zxDnnhG6Qm3erllF0ARjNLtsj8vDwezmej1PD510nh 3tAChnZV6PyZ5KpgjoVhLs8ar8FZP8Cuk9qQs3mn4k/IFDZ4PyCaJlN6f8SKAMYanxUv/2lyWFqk /D3xbUUQLh4zZbpFnR2lGFvD9jZJX260k0Du/iEFNgpcRb1mWatMdAdh0X5IRr38m53rX+FQLtRL z0EQT+vpaSlHACtW7mOOxivWvYF3UtIXCSmEidM/VABQcnxFTlh9AcdajWS4aZxko6Q995sxoy7I dle9zZcN5sblnBIy4aNY7plrO+WllCcGI4xYas1iJHQxrVYlNNbddOOwfUgrJLGmk4Hmgtnd8GYd UtDFCVUy01Rv07Nq4l4e+d0wiA6OiXtbRcS7apQFAn72RNYX0aLkv5W/x893 =KaAS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jnxGy8EgYKBbzFU3aEdKhI6eZwmrL6G1N-- --===============5145796428371438719== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss --===============5145796428371438719==--