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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::42c Subject: =?UTF-8?B?U2Ftc3VuZyBHYWxheHkgUzIgZm9yIFJlcGxpY2FudCAod2FzOiDigJxQcm9t?= =?UTF-8?B?b3RlIE5vUGhvbmXigJ0gaXMgYSBwYXRoIHRvIG5vd2hlcmUp?= X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6265182996928179320==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" --===============6265182996928179320== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Caleb Herbert wrote: > On 09/16/2019 03:23 AM, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: >> Caleb Herbert wrote: >>> Most people cannot access or afford decent Replicant devices. >> >> No people can access or afford _decent_ Replicant devices: they are simp= ly nonexistent. > > I consider the ancient Galaxy S2 decent. A device without GPS and hardware graphic acceleration (unless you are will= ing to run nonfree software on CPU)? Or even without Wi-Fi and Bluetooth (= unless you are willing to run nonfree firmware)? That=E2=80=99s not saying about its obsolescence, which involves not only q= uantitative downsides but qualitative too: such as absence of LTE modem. >> A device, listed at https://replicant.us (which would _not_ fully work u= nder it anyway), could be obtained very easily and for a laughable price, t= hough. > > The price is expensive. Scarcity of after-market devices still in good c= ondition, combined with the price of paying someone to flash it Replicant is not Libreboot, it does not require any flashing. It is instal= led just like as any other Android-based OS. > costs five hundred dollars last time I checked. Wow! That=E2=80=99s for sure a local issue. I=E2=80=99ve just checked, in= Moscow you could get a _new_ Galaxy S2 for 85 $ (which I still found unacc= eptably expensive for a 2011 Android phone, but if someone really needs it = new), used =E2=80=94 from 25 $. So if you=E2=80=99d really like to recommend someone to buy Galaxy S2, I su= ggest you just submit to necessity to recommend him to run some more nonfre= e software in his browser, and order it somewhere else: at Ali a =E2=80=98r= efurbished=E2=80=99 device with shipping included would be about 40 $ [1]. 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