From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS22989 209.51.188.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7749A1F4D7 for ; Tue, 17 May 2022 06:58:48 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: dcvr.yhbt.net; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=andrewyu.org header.i=@andrewyu.org header.b="zDZZymaE"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from localhost ([::1]:39480 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nqrAN-0001Zd-55 for e@80x24.org; Tue, 17 May 2022 02:58:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34776) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nqr9b-0001ZC-Ee for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Tue, 17 May 2022 02:58:00 -0400 Received: from andrewyu.org ([173.249.27.223]:56360) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nqr9Z-00037v-2V for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Tue, 17 May 2022 02:57:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [114.88.183.152]) by andrewyu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8175A581B69; Tue, 17 May 2022 08:57:46 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=andrewyu.org; s=mail; t=1652770667; bh=tjYMn0HIqRtea46zjscBuqeqF6RUH1Iv1i5a+tR5jmE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=zDZZymaE7KHYS44XE9O25vYEKuTBBLpg1Xkkgtd2sz+YgcOzki+ojk+O/FggR0mvO 75ysNG11WCK44IH3TkOS3THjPwvM5ZWemZL2omIk7a5UAL/tubAuJ0eXCEK1iHcSos feVqkdlVDWfaGEm/qkZ+m1JWKMQWmBNtc5dK9zCV4Do48/BETql8qq989jdQTfLMOn L2eMDsgu/eKpAZU+ujYQ0znReMeT5KMWvjDoO+WGmRjMq1cQRCQrZShQwNs81pNy/u WaPUfPDnV9q6yZ8nZ5tV9Qp7HKCqa/o+UFEimSTQr7denJ9xCGYVtcfB2zbJIpu0ly RY2CoB96D+iig== Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 14:57:40 +0800 To: Jean Louis Cc: Yasuaki Kudo , libreplanet-discuss Subject: Re: Question of Aiding and Abetting Proprietary (or non-free) Software in GNU projects Message-ID: <20220517065740.azlar4fctszea3uk@gentoo-dell> References: <20220515171105.hnkysdl7b6zky75b@gentoo-dell> <8CCCC7D2-C2F6-417E-B55D-3BC9EAABD610@yasuaki.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=173.249.27.223; envelope-from=andrew@andrewyu.org; helo=andrewyu.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: andrew via libreplanet-discuss Reply-To: andrew Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4726157516571377265==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" --===============4726157516571377265== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ecrzedxmpfoopyf4" Content-Disposition: inline --ecrzedxmpfoopyf4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On 22/05/17 09:51AM, Jean Louis replies to Yasuki Kudo: > You seem to have an opinion that community should talk about > proprietary software even if it is exclusively not about proprietary > software. Why do you have that urge to enforce a subject which is > clearly not the goal of the community? I believe that they're asking whether it is approprieate to support users who, for whatever the reason is as it might be their job or their hardware, cannot use fully free software. My thoughts are that yes indeed sometimes it is impossible to transition these users directly to fully free software (which is a wanted ultimate outcome) and in these cases minimal required nonfree software may be plausible, but these discussions are *not* for the GNU Guix project because it isn't a core part of its mission (a nice *free* operating system with a beautiful functional package manager), they're for those communities where people are actively helping the transition (for people to use less proprietary software and eventually fully free software). --ecrzedxmpfoopyf4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEyQan93TRTFzPiQkOAVALEYo3gSQFAmKDR2QACgkQAVALEYo3 gSR3bBAArihdigp+T7HUbYwSETPSUr3O67PWoWqHnIHjpoJL+qZsoiGZZnB0W2m9 3f6SrzcSmPYJwm8rgprFa75axHua7QTQHyB1NGJ+SoE6wN6ngEYIDL5DaUubmWD2 jIzbZ5u0ProY9UGkwHHqy8l9nfjsIA+P8snMxIv/0EvAYD91NomhjKLxJtdrMGDF EOj6r9CToa5WuTPwgOQH2/Oajoktd8GoD/eu/0KRuf3YSaZnQPaUCQZMyuv9Tu/G xl+H3MSeT+R0mBw6GLJAdWgnLrPoCM7L2Y3fCm9ZsK8Mz4JLfEKg1n4TUp83aoKC KkCOh/3ChAIKPAW4U4zZyIqClItwuaF0SJAs2yGAoEJOvy7it4RWZRa9vk+TknjG zw5bwhyngd8hmWmSf9vr3BnKOk589jGWNTFarT8ANWDqbvFam4d4hRDDpTQ2vuCi 1sA69jqLyg/tls0Nsx5xsu1zZKtIhZPXyRIOakuXu77YGfaiULFr0O6KxAO3Lay/ oZidly7Sz03cc/Ii7Y1zNfA97Y/nD/77TzB1BW9xZEOTks+RXRRRmCrPEpLCHBmp r6mHDLlOaNT4YFm9iopNcrsL0QQ6IUeRU7iOmJa+SnbJWnlmFX4XaPxHX6Vjdl/C y/6LSYYn04DSD7rQo8lR9P0o9tzk2sKnHo10p7ncvGjWgFJM3jE= =nsRO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ecrzedxmpfoopyf4-- --===============4726157516571377265== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KbGlicmVwbGFu ZXQtZGlzY3VzcyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKbGlicmVwbGFuZXQtZGlzY3Vzc0BsaWJyZXBsYW5ldC5v cmcKaHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy5saWJyZXBsYW5ldC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9saWJyZXBs YW5ldC1kaXNjdXNzCg== --===============4726157516571377265==--