From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS22989 209.51.188.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E1011F4D7 for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 12:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:55496 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ngQrg-0005ON-2H for e@80x24.org; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:52:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53780) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ngQrT-0005OF-61 for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:52:11 -0400 Received: from andrewyu.org ([173.249.27.223]:44724) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ngQrR-0006Yv-Dd for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:52:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (andrewyu.org [173.249.27.223]) by andrewyu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D01FA58152A; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 14:52:06 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=andrewyu.org; s=mail; t=1650286326; bh=0Mpyp/42ZpJyrwL7SgMCJvCuegY9WqbnPGmOnIHaK6M=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=soxaCWY0z3+IMh7AmxCUVtI9I8zKBj0H9+XNiNoKYqunve7sQUaUSrp973CzMe9ul s4S5LkT0UFPc6rW4qomFxZbeDdTOppGVEVfOuLDUJTgilHWpxNBm6TU+K0TgeEuLWT Nf0KBNrjz/BxEKs/HnPzD9IA33WSGGVF1TuPsI6lFXowHjDe/YYkTE/dia61FO/jR6 jJ1aQM8SCh+sPH8CeAjp1/KsNZPfZ+73fmC7jk3ql6+9Qj21LNoazwj/nUS9RosjAH HBmP6mMjP5QtllcMH71tCSLeemT9HDcvYoJ4fl1J0rBVcRZ9UEdU6/wq2Qk+ddowJg n+HrtEn3Og4gA== Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 14:52:05 +0200 To: Yasuaki Kudo Cc: Jean Louis , Whistler , libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org Subject: Re: (renamed) Misc mailing list Message-ID: <20220418125205.colu4eeisdquosnh@andrewyu.org> References: <20220418105332.vdi77hs4cwgcqpte@andrewyu.org> <32805584-1B78-47AC-B940-202D5748CA08@yasuaki.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <32805584-1B78-47AC-B940-202D5748CA08@yasuaki.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=173.249.27.223; envelope-from=andrew@andrewyu.org; helo=andrewyu.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: andrew via libreplanet-discuss Reply-To: andrew Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2854745934803960163==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" --===============2854745934803960163== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kzjw3oudppxdiitn" Content-Disposition: inline --kzjw3oudppxdiitn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 22/04/18 09:26PM, Yasuaki Kudo wrote: > (I have just 'replied all' from my (God forbid, proprietary!) IPhone=20 > so forgive me, the addresses in To or CC are pretty arbitrary) RIP =20 > I am very sympathetic to everyone who live in authoritarian regimes > . Pre-1945, someone like me, (an anarchist, pacifist, democrat, an=20 > apologist for enemy states and all the rest... ) in Japan would have=20 > been probably arrested, tortured and or killed for trumped up charges. As far as I know, those still happen in places like the DPRK, and sometimes Russia. > I often wonder what my escape hatch would be, if I lived in North=20 > Korea or something. I might learn how to be a good singer, a=20 > computer programmer, or anything else and stay away from politics. Sing any western songs with *slight* political meanings? Gunboom. > But there are many in-between states where the regime may mimic a=20 > shambolic 'democracy' just for the show, or strongly suppress=20 > unwanted opinions by murder, kidnap, etc and the majority would=20 > happily live without questioning too much, and not call the state=20 > totalitarian. The regime will allow a certain range of public=20 > discourse that are irrelevant or useful to the regime. > In such cases, and I suspect PRC may qualify, (But I don't know the=20 > country well enough) the discussion of Free Software might be within=20 > the permitted range of discourse, as its purported aim is just to=20 > promote a particular form of software licensing, no big deal. It *might* fall into that category, but murder, kidnap aren't the case, rather it's more of "the police takes you to the station and you agree to not do it or you sue the police" or something similar. > But of course, there is another dimension in that it is a way of=20 > hinting a bigger idea such as democracy and free speech, while=20 > stopping short of directly mentioning them. I do that all the time. Many people critize the high centralization of the central government, as long as it doesn't go further than "normal" (definitely not going to showcase that!), you'd be okay. > My apologies if I am completely off the track here but again, I feel=20 > deeply for people who don't have the kind of freedoms completely=20 > taken for granted in advanced industrial 'Western' countries (for=20 > which Japan seems to be an honorary member from the East=F0=9F=98=85) and= I=20 > would love to work with everyone to do everything practical to=20 > improve the situation! Thank you! > I am not sure whether this helps in the discussion of what the=20 > appropriate topic is for this mailing list, etc, but wanted to=20 > mention that I think the social context could be very different for=20 > each participant. --kzjw3oudppxdiitn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEEyQan93TRTFzPiQkOAVALEYo3gSQFAmJdXu8ACgkQAVALEYo3 gSRoyxAAkybBIPEKdgHuWd1+XDqpkl+yOfxGb7kDlMl4mafgr6s9JCIQd8xNFYYa EUTg9cHNOljgXdTUMmS7WCD5uxHz6IZ+ycD2V0wMzomKLTnYuHqjXjdM7Fbf8OWT nnNznFH9eMzxRmo1oQQxBGuV5+6rFFiK3bmKpY5o8iYvZbFFl6y6BywdHRLNPy9U CLzKYec14Ab+yllQLLN8vHMjD/chWBtmZ3apAip7rhKsUhW+5ilhQX6SCawU+F28 eaADhY+V4S/lKiAcSmqqy2xBSUEZlP1MIrtqsfzsg5X7e6hVvuLMEtkuTRcingrr Ou+C/xTzStCmiAjYgavcJQ8pfLGlmAl3e/Afg4DbJJf8ZzmvWNrqFqqVeKqbpaph 3i/Esmvd7TGxsKbR+l7G2jC07kIUwi2RdyLGr1PGiUPdBTbCrkKEpci9W+79DC+3 jPly2RpG4Lv+9nz6+HhmEe1KUI4V3q+vCB4WzudjB/awDhSpKZ4RumhQ5SN/84os UolIqT9+AA9CNenn/sSXl+SzEXLtyzGQXr5A9BLXInHt14oNNwbm9RygL6UCkI9T boGG0oSTHVrHVTJBSO6us2xCOEbH804mlgdpU34X6D5DPtM8SCNgbkB4kof9fEWQ +/PwKbK9oG+tp8WSjPKLeP2gm66VkTxia2nKDULtfU6NkRO0+xs= =yAsC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kzjw3oudppxdiitn-- --===============2854745934803960163== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KbGlicmVwbGFu ZXQtZGlzY3VzcyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKbGlicmVwbGFuZXQtZGlzY3Vzc0BsaWJyZXBsYW5ldC5v cmcKaHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy5saWJyZXBsYW5ldC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9saWJyZXBs YW5ldC1kaXNjdXNzCg== --===============2854745934803960163==--