From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS22989 209.51.188.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13CE61F4D7 for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 06:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:53790 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ngL4v-0004F7-TZ for e@80x24.org; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 02:41:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44832) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ngL3O-0004Dr-Ip for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 02:40:07 -0400 Received: from andrewyu.org ([173.249.27.223]:42736) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ngL3M-0006MF-Ug for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 02:40:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (andrewyu.org [173.249.27.223]) by andrewyu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 722B7580DA2; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:40:01 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=andrewyu.org; s=mail; t=1650264001; bh=dezV2fYlSwawRX5+SZzyOvcikX6DfdARY2fycoVumfs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=iw8Wyi7KeDjFy7No7Ea6KoYyXuJV4T4xr+Z3Hzb7N1n2QrHnzlr9xi39b5o/lj/ib Ejr6rCdj3P0Fqw3JLE4z8zvdV5lK+nAdp9oNYzp+dTYfstoOBjXBZxbgGeXAc3Ns+N KWbSu2QGORqThmJTGiXdiLxJr/4WhVSA7lgx/w6Z8FbQbowCG41XDZCnHV4fQQIfpv zZFSw1U77qXj6FZthVX3rmcHtRJ0DGxUC8rD3jj+iV1wnNnzCcjcLrpJMY+FFxyh7u 3BELtKa+WhX7ELoKcEnxePaFqthI1M9x2Hnc3arnu7BMXWBS6A2jnP/RAf50J9v0r9 FnbLBY40usq4Q== Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:40:00 +0200 To: Jean Louis Cc: Whistler , libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org Subject: Re: (renamed) Misc mailing list Message-ID: <20220418064000.eysnuysrk5f5cz4e@andrewyu.org> References: <205753A3-0172-4DF2-8D65-85A3FA57B1C1@yasuaki.com> <87zgkoeg9c.fsf@ypei.me> <20220414152847.pehgfkenotawat2j@andrewyu.org> <23139151.17ec.1803ab401d2.Coremail.whistler_wmz@163.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=173.249.27.223; envelope-from=andrew@andrewyu.org; helo=andrewyu.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: andrew via libreplanet-discuss Reply-To: andrew Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8836036355057158921==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" --===============8836036355057158921== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5l3smzo5sajpxwdm" Content-Disposition: inline --5l3smzo5sajpxwdm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On 22/04/18 09:32AM, Jean Louis wrote: > * Whistler [2022-04-18 06:26]: > > Here (in Beijing) we have been required to scan a QR code with a > > non-free covid 'contact tracing' app if we need to enter _anywhere_ > > since 2020, including the residence block of my own home. > > > > I don't think 'complaining' to any organizations would solve the > > issue, as it's a much bigger issue than free software but free > > software is an important factor. > Does that mean that person is not allowed to be in China without > having mobile phone? No, but it does mean that perse won't be able to go anywhere. > Does it mean one would basically starve and not get access to any > resources without having mobile phone? In large cities, during lockdowns, the government sends food to people, but that's quite minimal. Most of what my family eats is still retreived through online shopping, the only way possible. And all those * shopping platforms require (1) a mobile phone and (2) nonfree JavaScript. > I would say that in that case, to avoid surveillance, one could or > should, purchase one smart phone dedicated to that one specific > application as to protect oneself and data on the phone from > surveillance and abuse of information. The phone would be kept all > time off until the checkpoint, then at checkpoint turned on, to pass That's what I do when I'm alone. When I'm with my parents, since I'm not adult yet, I can get a pass by having my parents pass. > > btw, I'd say: check your privilege, as you are obviously lucky > > enough NOT affected by these issues which affects many things (not > > limited to software freedom). > I cannot understand "check your privilege". One person's situation > does not make it a privilege for other person. 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