From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS22989 209.51.188.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,BODY_8BITS, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70A751F4D7 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2022 01:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:38822 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nfALW-00071l-BK for e@80x24.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 21:01:58 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59292) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nfAKv-00071c-Mc for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 21:01:21 -0400 Received: from andrewyu.org ([173.249.27.223]:46330) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nfAKs-0001fg-PB for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 21:01:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (andrewyu.org [173.249.27.223]) by andrewyu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 154C1581402; Fri, 15 Apr 2022 03:01:16 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=andrewyu.org; s=mail; t=1649984476; bh=NSwyyFzMP9yPsSIh/gyrGn74jReT9FUXxT1SaQTdK+U=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=VRuhVIF7D/lGRMhBsq3bpwU1SZn8WkMTmf2JQAlMbPWnXWbjPLyw500ZWsKLtf0qw U5Q4wv5OPqQFt41PVwFEXjdGYyebSYPr5BeFdnGwK/t+ud7TWkA+KdaVeBxVIQPOmv Nqb1R+LAAz97xhoWd3ffCvaNw26bvL2pnPhURFvOrylBMzy/U5Iivx6KXJoBOkyK+T i9DXfzsJPqrH7uGbtRgJRTXJA4z2/7q6xc+ec1C3HqKsyrgKSlRYzBCK205fh9viIQ ml9bPAQdVs4tiEcIkYwrN4ZkPIZCnDqdb2fRJmAc9VHRQmgOrLjRxxvRu6DlViEF80 aQNvTMHNfs5tA== Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2022 03:01:14 +0200 To: Jean Louis Cc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org Subject: Re: (renamed) Misc mailing list Message-ID: <20220415010114.nmczemzdxghounes@andrewyu.org> References: <205753A3-0172-4DF2-8D65-85A3FA57B1C1@yasuaki.com> <87zgkoeg9c.fsf@ypei.me> <20220414152847.pehgfkenotawat2j@andrewyu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=173.249.27.223; envelope-from=andrew@andrewyu.org; helo=andrewyu.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: andrew via libreplanet-discuss Reply-To: andrew Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2606103287193543525==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" --===============2606103287193543525== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xbpb7w7jsf73m4oa" Content-Disposition: inline --xbpb7w7jsf73m4oa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 22/04/15 12:30AM, Jean Louis wrote: > * andrew via libreplanet-discuss [2= 022-04-14 18:30]: > > The reason I posted this here are: > >=20 > > (1) During the lockdown, we are obligated to use the following nonfree > > software: >=20 > How are you obligated? Which law, rule or policy is asking you that? By policy. > Please provide references if there are any WWW references, so that we > may complain to those organizations. That's require me to use the nonfree part of the Web, I'm currently not on my dirty system, I'll give them later > > 1. Tencent Meetings for school; > > 2. =E9=9A=8F=E7=94=B3=E5=8A=9E for getting a QR code as a token for= mandated COVID tests; > > Simply swiping a second-generation citizen ID cart is > > "deprecated" for some reason; >=20 > I wish I could understand, but QR code is not a software. Is there > software that is obligated to be installed? They require =E9=9A=8F=E7=94=B3=E5=8A=9E for generating the said QR code, a= nonfree phone app. > > 3. Nonfree online shopping platforms, mainly used by my family, > > because that's the only way people get food. >=20 > Who is obligating you to use it? If it is "online" does that mean it > is website with non-free Javascript? It's a cellular phone app; we're not obligated to use it, but in practice not using it =3D starve. > > 1. I see social issues like this an important extension of the ideas > > of the movement---our goal is not free software, it's a free > > society, while free software is indeed one of the first steps > > (paraphrasing RMS); >=20 > Free society is not same as Libreplanet. I don't think it is good to > discuss what "free" means for this or that party, as we are global, we > are people from various places. What may mean "free society" for one > person may be occupation for other. Understood. > > 2. Sorry, I'm just a bit raged at the policy, and thinking it's > > freedom related I kinda need somewhere for it to go (not a good > > reason, bruh); >=20 > Libreplanet is not generally freedom related, it is about free > software and freedom in computing. If we discuss topics that are > generally freedom related we deviate into a lot of politics and the > tendency may disperse people on this mailing list who are otherwise > interested in free software, and not general freedom topics. >=20 > We better keep it on topic related to free software. > > 3. The lockdowns here depict authoritarianism and DISRESPECT for > > individuality, >=20 > Sure. >=20 > > it's kind-of like how people are forced to use Zoom and WhatsApp and > > GitHub because everyone is on it (also why federated and distributed > > things like GNUnet are cool). >=20 > There is no direct connection between lockdowns and proprietary > software. >=20 > If you think you are forced, then complain to those who force you, and > please if possible provide references that I give you suggestion how > to complain. Complained multiple times, gov doesn't reply, teachers call me .. basically a freetard, lol > For example if organization is forcing you to use Zoom, then I would > like to ask organization if they would, due to force, also provide > all the hardware for the software. I would give them reasons why it is > not good, such as privacy abuses, backdoors, proprietary software, etc. (My email in Oct 2021 explains this a bit) > > Either way, I do believe a -misc list makes sense. >=20 > And I don't, as FSF has free software as purpose, and not general > politics as purpose.=20 >=20 > You are free to make your own mailing list. But using people on > Libreplanet mailing list for whatever other politics is somehow not > quite fair.=20 >=20 > I don't mind if FSF makes such decisions, I am stating my opinion. FSF > is non-profit and has specific purposes that must fit into the law, > into the IRS tax-free status and social benefits. >=20 > Every person is free to pay few dollars and make a mailing list that > is not related to free software. Understood. > > Free Software is our first step to a free society, >=20 > I don't know what you mean with "free society". Can you define it? 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