From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS22989 209.51.188.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_NONE shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 985B01F463 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 16:54:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:55030 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iDAYj-00089u-EH for e@80x24.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 12:54:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46755) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iDAYR-00089K-D1 for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 12:54:16 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iDAYP-0005LO-Kh for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 12:54:15 -0400 Received: from libreland.libreboot.org ([2001:8b0:b95:1bb4::2]:48670) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iDAYP-0005Ka-9n for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 12:54:13 -0400 Received: from minifree (148.191.187.81.in-addr.arpa [81.187.191.148]) by libreland.libreboot.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 997D096FA4; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 17:53:59 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=minifree.org; s=201808; t=1569430439; bh=XJMn8F1ALbC5znRM+eA9pw0KXLGbppj5HhImZFxM7gE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=dW0LDk19YeXeTYcXAyNnld0lrx366mFXHIRp1eLF+aiW84VTk0C4cogO2Bl/GjGIS 4MxGiNLjk7TwW8iBmEPkU8+06cNe80KoC0dQuZCNgJa3KAHHmFNIgcJbPQGn/NfeZm kyBjkMk/Xrxitaf8ISSefjbOd4XtWktdrzKKvE5/mQRBTUNWem9SLrGNcJBDUEKc+5 Vz5nSlRulxqv3IFWA4WYzm4BpDQAfsnzaw+wSHNT67ag8UChyMuhyCFK9WlhU+ZWTJ S3/w44G9gzj5DEA9zKavj4EJBr5ctUpwqpGkEllCFHfw2BvuLr+MYcJkaFPax+T2LL 10EXOvyRf9tzw== Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 17:53:59 +0100 To: Leah Rowe Message-Id: <20190925175359.351b0e499e592b7482c85a13@minifree.org> In-Reply-To: <20190925175115.ffdd3e26bba26c4e02f69c45@minifree.org> References: <1569346946.8934.5.camel@opengroupware.ch> <838ea74a-ba42-d467-f042-f6043e67290e@riseup.net> <1569349597.11472.1.camel@opengroupware.ch> <20190925152948.5e7a10bda363c1a6ea946cb4@minifree.org> <1569422216.31207.1.camel@opengroupware.ch> <20190925174627.91f3b89bfca639c226c0ddc3@minifree.org> <20190925175115.ffdd3e26bba26c4e02f69c45@minifree.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2001:8b0:b95:1bb4::2 Subject: Re: Apologies X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Leah Rowe via libreplanet-discuss Reply-To: Leah Rowe Cc: Aaron Wolf , 'smee , 'smee via libreplanet-discuss , "Adrienne G. Thompson" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1851441371761157340==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" --===============1851441371761157340== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA512"; boundary="Signature=_Wed__25_Sep_2019_17_53_59_+0100_UDmb3d01r6qLRius" --Signature=_Wed__25_Sep_2019_17_53_59_+0100_UDmb3d01r6qLRius Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I mean there are GNU programs whose authors are almost entirely transgender (on the feminine spectrum of gender identity). I won't name the project in case some members don't want to be outed... yeah. this recent media campaign against RMS is pure slander. Nothing would make me happier than RMS being reinstated at the FSF, because he didn't deserve any of the shit thrown at him On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 17:51:15 +0100 Leah Rowe wrote: >=20 > The saddest part is that the rightwing media slamming him for his > misspoken words about Epstein do not care about womens rights... while > slandering him and quoting him out of context to make it look like he > supports a serial rapist (which he absolutely *does not*). They are > mostly authored and run by men, who grew up in a male dominated > culture, who don't give a second thought to women. They were jumping > on a bandwagon of RMS-bashing because it gives them more readers... > and it advances their agenda. >=20 > RMS has said (in this very email list) that while he has stepped down > from the FSF, he will remain as leader of the GNU project. This makes > me happy at least. >=20 > On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 17:46:27 +0100 Leah Rowe > wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > The sad thing is that RMS is one of the champions of womens rights > > in the free software world. He has said some stupid things in the > > past, but he's a really nice guy and really supportive. He's always > > there to answer emails and offer guidance on things. He is one of > > my role models. > >=20 > > He accepted my project (Libreboot) into the GNU project, after I > > came out as transgender for instance. It didn't phase him at all. > > Later on I accused him and others of stuff and the project was > > ejected from GNU; but he's a really nice guy. I later regretted the > > stuff I said about him (back then I was ignorant and really fucked > > up as a person). He came to me *personally* (via email) a few > > months ago when he was working on a new article on his blog about > > using gender neutral pronouns in his talks/articles, and asked me > > to proofread it and offer constructive criticism (he emailed the > > draft to others too). > >=20 > > The thing is, I think Richard is probably high-functioning > > autistic... like me. He says stupid things sometimes, without > > taking into account how other people will feel (because he can't. > > which is OK. I don't understand other peoples emotions either). > >=20 > > It makes me really sad that he was brutalized by the media so much. > > He didn't deserve any of the abuse he got.=20 > >=20 > > On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 14:36:56 +0000 'smee via > > libreplanet-discuss wrote: > >=20 > > > That's what got me irritated. I'll have to keep in mind though > > > that there may be real people who see the coordinated attack > > > (maybe not seeing it for what it is) and see it as an opportunity > > > to air their grievances or share their experiences.=A0 > > >=20 > > > They do deserve to be listened to (and questioned), but I'll do > > > better to consider that they're real people. I care about real > > > people and real grievances. Coordinated, agenda-driven attacks, > > > and how they play on real people's emotions, are despicable. > > >=20 > > > Thanks for your input. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > Of course it was coordinated. You'd have to be an idiot not to > > > > notice the blatant astroturfing > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > > > libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > > > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss > >=20 > > --=20 > > Leah Rowe > > Company Director & Libreboot developer > > https://minifree.org/ https://libreboot.org/ > >=20 > > Do you know you have rights? > > The right to privacy, free speech, the right to read > > and the right to learn. The right not to be spied on > > and censored by the government. > >=20 > > Defend freedom. Use free (free as in freedom) software. > > Spread freedom. Tell everyone you know about it! > > https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html > >=20 > > Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom. > > Registered in England, registration No. 9361826 > > VAT Registration No. GB202190462 > > Minifree Ltd, 19 Hilton Road, Canvey Island > > Essex SS8 9QA, United Kingdom > > United Kingdom >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Leah Rowe > Company Director & Libreboot developer > https://minifree.org/ https://libreboot.org/ >=20 > Do you know you have rights? > The right to privacy, free speech, the right to read > and the right to learn. The right not to be spied on > and censored by the government. >=20 > Defend freedom. Use free (free as in freedom) software. > Spread freedom. Tell everyone you know about it! > https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html >=20 > Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom. > Registered in England, registration No. 9361826 > VAT Registration No. GB202190462 > Minifree Ltd, 19 Hilton Road, Canvey Island > Essex SS8 9QA, United Kingdom > United Kingdom --=20 Leah Rowe Company Director & Libreboot developer https://minifree.org/ https://libreboot.org/ Do you know you have rights? The right to privacy, free speech, the right to read and the right to learn. The right not to be spied on and censored by the government. Defend freedom. Use free (free as in freedom) software. Spread freedom. Tell everyone you know about it! https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom. 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