From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS22989 209.51.188.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_NONE shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97E491F463 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 01:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:53848 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iAOKh-0004Yf-9x for e@80x24.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 21:00:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60951) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iAOKB-0004YL-Lq for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 21:00:05 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iAOK9-0004YC-DD for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 21:00:03 -0400 Received: from libreland.libreboot.org ([2001:8b0:b95:1bb4::2]:45156) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iAOK9-0004Xk-6d for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 21:00:01 -0400 Received: from minifree (148.191.187.81.in-addr.arpa [81.187.191.148]) by libreland.libreboot.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 37CF3953AD; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 01:59:48 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=minifree.org; s=201808; t=1568768388; bh=MUW7oZYLc9N5huj/+II4RXT3TojQ5Rc7rXlSEvhEd1k=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=pvX5s5bi4BF9Vc/RA6UTgHqznLjTu1B0QsFCiHC3UJx2Hz2Szl/AwuS9HHM2IeECw OyHriGM7jZwPIq1VX7BnxlZ9RQwafJ3R+0IL2Lh8qduGrVyGGaESHLdStlcPlDjcOX tHRAHZJsEIQxvvscDWkk0RBfCkfNBituizzZIWUU8Ia78uzIbXPOBibmt7M+2tPSby p26th6Pgg9faxbff/o/30mSt+JG1aLP97Z7/dCu21i2Dns4BITHs/A+MVN37h1lcpE YSvnEnlDc/G+MdtmhGLqkzi2oV2qIOvQUQYy4l5GI7I7lBVEm+zVTcTyDLfsXMBSVK 8nunQBZWx4xmw== Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 01:59:47 +0100 To: "Adrienne G. Thompson" Message-Id: <20190918015947.1d921fea1f11381276f2e1d6@minifree.org> In-Reply-To: References: <235523703.734598.1568568937455@connect.xfinity.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2001:8b0:b95:1bb4::2 Subject: Re: Is Stallman nuts? X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Leah Rowe via libreplanet-discuss Reply-To: Leah Rowe Cc: quiliro@riseup.net, Richard Stallman , libreplanet-discuss Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0410746740030507743==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" --===============0410746740030507743== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA512"; boundary="Signature=_Wed__18_Sep_2019_01_59_47_+0100_hApx9slcHl1Cc7wj" --Signature=_Wed__18_Sep_2019_01_59_47_+0100_hApx9slcHl1Cc7wj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable meritocracy is silly in terms of advancing equality, because it implies an equal playing field - nothing is further from the truth women (and LGBT people, and black people etc) are routinely descriminated against, and less likely to get involved in tech. we need to spend more effort bringing such people into the movement. since you know, they actually form at least half the planet and have the same intelligence/potential. I say this as an LGBT person. If you have the choice between a more qualified male candidate and less qualified female candidate, hire the female candidate - and train/educate her. it's important. On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:22:25 -0500 "Adrienne G. Thompson" wrote: > Quiliro, I see you're at riseup.net! >=20 >=20 > > Your message has made Richard Stallman, an icon to human rights, > > resign as president of the board of directors and as president of > > the FSF. > > > > As for me, I will stop preferring women for positions on free > > software technical areas. I think that they will earn them if they > > deserve such positions. > > >=20 > Affirmative action is a noble concept, but sometimes adopting the > policy just doesn't make sense. You always need the very best for > technical positions - which should accordingly be earned on merit. I > doubt that I will be "preferring women" for technical positions at > GNU C-Graph! >=20 > This whole business smells like a set-up. I've noted the number of > people who rushed to distance themselves from rms, some of whom he > might once have considered friends. RMS will rise again in the blink > of an eye! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > *You may write me down in historyWith your bitter, twisted lies,You > may trod me in the very dirtBut still, like dust, I'll rise.You may > shoot me with your words,You may cut me with your eyes,You may kill > me with your hatefulness,But still, like air, I=E2=80=99ll rise.Just like > moons and like suns,With the certainty of tides,Just like hopes > springing high,Still I'll rise.* >=20 > >From "Still I Rise" by Maya Angelou >=20 > Adrienne G. Thompson > Author and Inventor, GNU C-Graph > She/Her > --=20 > Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN! >=20 > GNU C-Graph - http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph > Code Art Now - http://codeartnow.com > Abertheid Campaign - http://www.abertheid.info > Follow me on Twitter @AdrienneGT @GNUcgraph --=20 Leah Rowe Company Director & Libreboot developer https://minifree.org/ https://libreboot.org/ Do you know you have rights? The right to privacy, free speech, the right to read and the right to learn. The right not to be spied on and censored by the government. Defend freedom. Use free (free as in freedom) software. Spread freedom. Tell everyone you know about it! https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom. 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