Re: Support RMS - Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss

From: Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>
To: Thomas Lord <lord@basiscraft.com>,
	Danny Spitzberg <stationaery@gmail.com>
Cc: Aaron Wolf <wolftune@riseup.net>,
	Ali Reza Hayati <hayati@riseup.net>,
	Steve M Bibayoff <bibayoff@gmail.com>,
	libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org,
	libreplanet-discuss
	<libreplanet-discuss-bounces+lord=basiscraft.com@libreplanet.org>
Subject: Re: Support RMS
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 19:02:46 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <18d1eef0-66bf-fac4-41a5-3b1da1f11835@disroot.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d32e9ba5dba00c6ee202b80e4c8b5f0a@basiscraft.com>

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On 26/03/2021 18:25, Thomas Lord wrote:
>     No "path forward" is needed in reaction to  people repeating the same
>     accusations that don't stand up to scrutiny.
> 
>     Where we need paths forward is in strategic and tactical decisions
>     about what free software to try to bring into existence, and what can
>     be done to expand the mass of people who care about and work to promote
>     software freedom.  Those are examples of what forums like this are for.
> 
>     -t
> 
> 
> 
>     On 2021-03-26 11:15, Danny Spitzberg wrote:
> 
>     Thomas, you keep using the word "lies" to refer testimonies in this
>     thread from former FSF staff.
> 
> 
> 
>     Do you mean to say that these people are all lying?
> 
> 
> 
>     Also, more importantly, are you implying that Paul and Aaron and Deb
>     and every proposal for a path forward is all... bad?

Part of my point was to try and suggest a policy going forward ensures 
that any accusations made in the future,  however trivial they may seem 
are investigated properly and dealt with,  it could be a simple mis 
understanding, which if explained both parties leave, hopefully happy it 
has been resolved.

Allowing complaints to go ignored or be fobbed off (I have personal 
experience of being a VICTIM of this) simply makes people more scared of 
speaking out,  think it is pointless,   leads to mis trust and quite bad 
feelings, to the point where you consider those who fobbed you off as 
ACCESSORY TO THE CRIME.

Should an employee have to give their employer an ultimatum that the 
abuse they are being subjected to stops or that person will take legal 
action under article 3 of the human rights act, that outlaws humiliating 
and degrading treatment.

The threat of that action worked for me, but I should NEVER have been 
put into that position in the first place.

Sometimes what may seem an innocent comment can be quite offensive, if 
handled properly the two parties can be brought together, to explain how 
each feels, and that generally should result in forgiveness and a better 
  understanding of each other.  Esp when it was down to a simple mis 
understanding.

Paul

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