My only issues is not the two that you mention. We have also: 1. No coherent Standard so everybody can have the same features. 2. Not a lot of Clients. 3. Not a lot of Clients that look decent. 4. No communities. 5. No threading. 6. No Voice rooms like Discord. These are just some of the problems that I have. As I explained above Matrix is for groups mostly. And it is much more welcoming to newcomers than IRC or XMPP. or even Mailing lists for that matter. Well FSF has Wire as a high priority project. WHich is a straight for Profit Company unlike Matrix. Also I didn't know FSF was against companies. Their latest article is that being FLOSS doesn't mean no Companies. But you can already get involved in Matrix and developing the Spec. Isn't that what you mean? Well the IRC that we currently using has not encryption. So what exactly are comparing here? MSavoritias On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:43, Adonay Felipe Nogueira via libreplanet-discuss wrote: > Em 31/07/2020 16:20, Adrien Bourmault (neox on freenode) escreveu: >> Matrix is a badly designed protocol (especially the s2s part) >> and is > > Interesting, I wonder if there are references to that. > >> The XSF point of view is different from the Matrix/Vector one : >> the XSF >> is a non profit foundation, in the tracks of IETF. They made a >> protocol >> in the hope that it will be useful and that's it. You can't say >> the >> same for Vector. > > Good point. On a not so similar subject, this seems to align with the > arguments presented by Software Freedom Conservancy (SFConservancy) in > regards to copyleft enforcement (almost all of their talks, including > the recorded ones, present this "who best enforces copyleft?" > paradigm, > and all results in either individual copyright holders or these > signing > their contributions to one of FSF-and-sisters, SFConservancy or > Software > Freedom Law Center, and avoiding non-disclosure agreements, trade > secrets and contributor license agreements). > >> of both Conversations and ChatSecure are always in touch, and >> are XSF >> members. There are many forks of both, and it provides >> additionnal > > Indeed, in open standards, people and projects being members of the > standards committees/workgroups is a very important thing, specially > if > many are in favor of free/libre software or if the group itself has > that > commitment or is a non-profit, preferably a charity. > >> On mobile, there is only one functionnal Matrix client : >> Element. And >> it advocates for non free software, especially Google one. > > The references in my previous replies to this topic also agree with > you. :) > >> Have you ever read RMS ? Or listen to him ? Everyone should care >> about >> privacy, everyone should encrypt his communications. XMPP's >> modern >> encryption (known as OMEMO) is way more secure than Olm/Megolm >> (because >> it seems Vector thought that forward secrecy was an anti-feature >> lol). > > That is scary indeed. > >> beautiful. Free software is about freedom, not popularity > > And with this I contribute referencing to [1]. > > > # References > > > [1]: > . > > > -- > * Ativista do software livre > * > * Membro dos grupos avaliadores de > * Software (Free Software Directory) > * Distribuições de sistemas (FreedSoftware) > * Sites (Free JavaScript Action Team) > * Não sou advogado e não fomento os não livres > * Sempre veja o spam/lixo eletrônico do teu e-mail > * Ou coloque todos os recebidos na caixa de entrada > * Sempre assino e-mails com OpenPGP > * Chave pública: vide endereço anterior > * Qualquer outro pode ser fraude > * Se não tens OpenPGP, ignore o anexo "signature.asc" > * Ao enviar anexos > * Docs., planilhas e apresentações: use OpenDocument > * Outros tipos: vide endereço anterior > * Use protocolos de comunicação federadas > * Vide endereço anterior > * Mensagens secretas somente via > * XMPP com OMEMO > * E-mail criptografado e assinado com OpenPGP > > _______________________________________________ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > >