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To: Jean Louis Cc: "Adrien Bourmault (neox on Freenode)" , libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org Message-Id: <1596573667.1148.0@disroot.org> In-Reply-To: <20200803170734.GH7381@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <20200730043725.GC25289@ossguy.com> <1596125074.1189.0@disroot.org> <20200730162745.GE25289@ossguy.com> <1596138703.28021.1@disroot.org> <20200731030048.GI25289@ossguy.com> <1596185910.1161.0@disroot.org> <2E654784-A437-418F-993D-8535D29922AF@os-k.eu> <1596302715.1141.0@disroot.org> <20200801173456.GP25289@ossguy.com> <43ED4949-3E64-4D3F-A2D1-1628B9F61B22@os-k.eu> <20200803170734.GH7381@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=178.21.23.139; envelope-from=marinus.savoritias@disroot.org; helo=knopi.disroot.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/04 16:41:10 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6571587166443648092==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" --===============6571587166443648092== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-Mk0iz/sc4kc2A8PRLgwl" --=-Mk0iz/sc4kc2A8PRLgwl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed How is Matri not Free Software though? Apache-2 is Free Software by the FSF. Also this review fails to mention how Matrix has been growing this year expotentially. There are already a lot of servers and growing. Gnome and purism and Kde have their own instances outside of this too. Also here is the list of at least 5 servers alternative to synapse. Plus Matrix is working on p2p. So you won't need a server. Also the encryption has been through security audits: And they want to upgrade it: I'm not arguing that it is better than Omemo. But it is good encryption with future upgrades. I really don't get about Matrix not being Free Software though. Gnu Specifically says Apache 2 is Free Software. If you mean the integrations somehow, that are optional then I ahve some news for you about Firefox. MSavoritias On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 20:07, Jean Louis wrote: > Mostly I am in agreement with Adrien. > > There is this review that I found, that you all may find it > interesting: > > > For me XMPP does so many things, we create business with XMPP, we have > all personnel within XMPP coordination, and we use our own servers and > domains, and XMPP work well in worst network conditions as by the > Bwindi Impenetrable Forest in Uganda. > > Most important it is free software in terms as in freedom, we are free > to distribute it, and we gain good communication, secure private > network line without spying from third unknown parties. > > Jean > > _______________________________________________ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > > --=-Mk0iz/sc4kc2A8PRLgwl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" How is Matri not Free Software though? Apache-2 is Free Software by the FSF. Also this review fails to mention how Matrix has been growing this year expotentially. [1]https://www.hello-matrix.net/public_servers.php There are already a lot of servers and growing. Gnome and purism and Kde have their own instances outside of this too. Also here is the list of at least 5 servers alternative to synapse. [2]https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now Plus Matrix is working on p2p. So you won't need a server. [3]https://matrix.org/blog/posts#dept-of-p2p- Also the encryption has been through security audits: [4]https://matrix.org/blog/2016/11/21/matrixs-olm-end-to-end-encryption -security-assessment-released-and-implemented-cross-platform-on-riot-at -last And they want to upgrade it: [5]https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues/2458 I'm not arguing that it is better than Omemo. But it is good encryption with future upgrades. I really don't get about Matrix not being Free Software though. Gnu Specifically says Apache 2 is Free Software. [6]https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#apache2 If you mean the integrations somehow, that are optional then I ahve some news for you about Firefox. MSavoritias < /div> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 20:07, Jean Louis wrote: Mostly I am in agreement with Adrien. There is this review that I found, that you all may find it interesting: [7]https://wiki.404.city/en/XMPP_vs_Matrix For me XMPP does so many things, we create business with XMPP, we have all personnel within XMPP coordination, and we use our own servers and domains, and XMPP work well in worst network conditions as by the Bwindi Impenetrable Forest in Uganda. Most important it is free software in terms as in freedom, we are free to distribute it, and we gain good communication, secure private network line without spying from third unknown parties. Jean _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list [8]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org [9]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss References 1. https://www.hello-matrix.net/public_servers.php 2. https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now 3. https://matrix.org/blog/posts#dept-of-p2p- 4. https://matrix.org/blog/2016/11/21/matrixs-olm-end-to-end-encryption-security-assessment-released-and-implemented-cross-platform-on-riot-at-last 5. https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues/2458 6. https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#apache2 7. https://wiki.404.city/en/XMPP_vs_Matrix 8. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 9. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss --=-Mk0iz/sc4kc2A8PRLgwl-- --===============6571587166443648092== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KbGlicmVwbGFu ZXQtZGlzY3VzcyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKbGlicmVwbGFuZXQtZGlzY3Vzc0BsaWJyZXBsYW5ldC5v cmcKaHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy5saWJyZXBsYW5ldC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9saWJyZXBs YW5ldC1kaXNjdXNz --===============6571587166443648092==--