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Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 07:50:33 +0900 Message-Id: <141B475E-D6BF-4C0B-BA90-E79C60461D2F@yasuaki.com> References: <712931E3-3482-4EF0-9FDC-AD48A7F5FB3A@yasuaki.com> Cc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org, info@fsf.org, Akira Urushibata , "Federico Leva (Nemo)" In-Reply-To: <712931E3-3482-4EF0-9FDC-AD48A7F5FB3A@yasuaki.com> To: Thomas Lord X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19E258) Received-SPF: none client-ip=66.39.4.99; envelope-from=yasu@yasuaki.com; helo=mail1.g12.pair.com X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 11 May 2022 20:25:44 -0400 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6467502602221640740==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" --===============6467502602221640740== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-BEE98E52-9EE1-4F30-AF4B-1B9010F8C820 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-BEE98E52-9EE1-4F30-AF4B-1B9010F8C820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, in retrospect, maybe I should have created a new thread - but really w= hat I am trying to do is to put our frustration energy, as evident in this w= hole twitter nonsense, to a realistic, practical project and take the matter= to our own hands! =F0=9F=98=84 > On May 12, 2022, at 07:42, Yasuaki Kudo wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Oh man, I am so inspired to do this thing that I have been proposing for s= ome time, including most recent discussions with friends around me! >=20 > Together, we can start to compile a Free Software collection for the New (= Ultimately Non-Exchanged-Based) Economy based on Commons. >=20 > https://youtu.be/i3jeKros4Yk > Around 3:20 time mark, Friede, an economist, mentions the Free Software mo= del. >=20 > In more practical terms, I am trying to create with collaborators a Softwa= re Distribution (my personal preference would be as a GNU Guix channel) for w= orker cooperatives (companies based on one-worker-one vote instead of one-sh= are-one-vote) that will include: >=20 > - Free Software specifically written for the cooperatives. (say, a shared a= pplication framework) This could be just a pointer, instead of outright incl= usion of code, as done in Guix/Nix > - Knowhow documents > - 'Business directory' for worker cooperatives > - Integration tests for components that worker cooperatives wish to combin= e > - Regular Office Hours for co-education and knowhow exchange=20 >=20 > Currently, many worker cooperatives in the ICT sector take software develo= pment contracts that may go like - "Hiring a developer with Experience in Re= act and MonoDB"... This kind of contract is solely based on monetary excha= nge and it does not add much to the Commons other than just applying some op= en source software (almost in forms only and not in spirit) >=20 > Instead, what we want to do is to develop a whole array of expertise in wh= ich the cooperative take the center stage - anyone who likes the system in t= his ecosystem will say, this Free Software system comes from that circle of w= orker cooperatives, let's hire someone from there! >=20 > Another video clip I would like to share, around 17:00 mark https://youtu= .be/Hpdd97teGhM >=20 > If you are also inspired, let's work together! >=20 > -Yasu >=20 >=20 >>> On May 12, 2022, at 05:05, Thomas Lord wrote: >>>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFAll the more reason why this is a valuable idea >> for an organization whose primary purpose is spreading >> education and real world use of libre software systems. >>=20 >> Meanwhile, there is whatever the FSF is trying to do >> which is entirely unclear from their web site. >>=20 >> This reminds of a few years back when I wanted to point >> city officials in Berkeley to some online resource where >> they could quickly learn about software freedom and about >> available software -- and I discovered that nothing on >> the FSF web site was at all adequate to this. >>=20 >> -t >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 2022-05-11 03:46, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: >>> Il 02/05/22 01:23, Thomas Lord ha scritto: >>>> Here, broadly, would be the technical infrastructure: >>>> Set up instances dedicated to the "celebrities" in one field >>>> of interest. It is good to make these redundant and distributed. >>> This already happens, indeed. >>> An example was newsbots.eu: >>> https://web.archive.org/web/20220408204643/https://newsbots.eu/@admin >>> More recently I set up one such thematic instance for EU officers: >>> https://respublicae.eu/@praetor/108077919947708699 . (Although frankly >>> I would probably not have bothered, if I had known of plans for the >>> official instance https://social.network.europa.eu/explore , given >>> complications: https://respublicae.eu/@praetor/108222742095791966 .) >>> Federico >>> _______________________________________________ >>> libreplanet-discuss mailing list >>> libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org >>> https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss --Apple-Mail-BEE98E52-9EE1-4F30-AF4B-1B9010F8C820 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Sorry, in retrospect, maybe I should have created a new thread - but really what I am trying to do is to put our frustration energy, as evident in this whole twitter nonsense, to a realistic, practical project and take the matter to our own hands! 😄 On May 12, 2022, at 07:42, Yasuaki Kudo wrote:  Oh man, I am so inspired to do this thing that I have been proposing for some time, including most recent discussions with friends around me! Together, we can start to compile a Free Software collection for the New (Ultimately Non-Exchanged-Based) Economy based on Commons. [1]https://youtu.be/i3jeKros4Yk Around 3:20 time mark, Friede, an economist, mentions the Free Software model. In more practical terms, I am trying to create with collaborators a Software Distribution (my personal preference would be as a GNU Guix channel) for worker cooperatives (companies based on one-worker-one vote instead of one-share-one-vote) that will include: - Free Software specifically written for the cooperatives. (say, a shared application framework) This could be just a pointer, instead of outright inclusion of code, as done in Guix/Nix - Knowhow documents - 'Business directory' for worker cooperatives - Integration tests for components that worker cooperatives wish to combine - Regular Office Hours for co-education and knowhow exchange Currently, many worker cooperatives in the ICT sector take software development contracts that may go like - "Hiring a developer with Experience in React and MonoDB"... This kind of contract is solely based on monetary exchange and it does not add much to the Commons other than just applying some open source software (almost in forms only and not in spirit) Instead, what we want to do is to develop a whole array of expertise in which the cooperative take the center stage - anyone who likes the system in this ecosystem will say, this Free Software system comes from that circle of worker cooperatives, let's hire someone from there! Another video clip I would like to share, around 17:00 mark [2]https://youtu.be/Hpdd97teGhM If you are also inspired, let's work together! -Yasu On May 12, 2022, at 05:05, Thomas Lord wrote: All the more reason why this is a valuable idea for an organization whose primary purpose is spreading education and real world use of libre software systems. Meanwhile, there is whatever the FSF is trying to do which is entirely unclear from their web site. This reminds of a few years back when I wanted to point city officials in Berkeley to some online resource where they could quickly learn about software freedom and about available software -- and I discovered that nothing on the FSF web site was at all adequate to this. -t On 2022-05-11 03:46, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Il 02/05/22 01:23, Thomas Lord ha scritto: Here, broadly, would be the technical infrastructure: Set up instances dedicated to the "celebrities" in one field of interest. It is good to make these redundant and distributed. This already happens, indeed. An example was newsbots.eu: https://web.archive.org/web/20220408204643/https://newsbots.eu/@admi n More recently I set up one such thematic instance for EU officers: https://respublicae.eu/@praetor/108077919947708699 . (Although frankly I would probably not have bothered, if I had known of plans for the official instance https://social.network.europa.eu/explore , given complications: https://respublicae.eu/@praetor/108222742095791966 .) Federico _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss References 1. https://youtu.be/i3jeKros4Yk 2. https://youtu.be/Hpdd97teGhM --Apple-Mail-BEE98E52-9EE1-4F30-AF4B-1B9010F8C820-- --===============6467502602221640740== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KbGlicmVwbGFu ZXQtZGlzY3VzcyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKbGlicmVwbGFuZXQtZGlzY3Vzc0BsaWJyZXBsYW5ldC5v cmcKaHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy5saWJyZXBsYW5ldC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9saWJyZXBs YW5ldC1kaXNjdXNzCg== --===============6467502602221640740==--