From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>
To: "Libre Planet, World" <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>
Subject: noise - [was Support RMS]
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 19:56:34 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0f853602-a1f0-8422-1e93-b6be1ea6dfc5@meetinghouse.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAE3dWx802C3EYSw0zyOVOGmbLxowtj_RLJHAZnAh=N30Ptoviw@mail.gmail.com>
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Anybody else getting tired about how this kind of crap clutters up, and
destroys, otherwise useful email lists?
Doesn't matter whether one is for or against - once someone is accused
of political incorrect behavior, conversation becomes dominated by
discussions of list rules, expelling people, free speech, censorship &
anti-censorship - to the extent that all useful work gets crowded out.
Mind you, it seems like those who condemn tend to be the most insistent
& vociferous - provoking folks who see a need to defend either the
person being attacked, or the general principle of free speech.
Sigh....
Miles Fidelman
Deb Nicholson wrote:
> Well, it's disappointing but not surprising that a call for improving
> the way people are treated within the free software movement is being
> seen by some on this list as "hateful" or somehow in "opposition to
> free software." I honestly don't see how creating a haven for sexist
> behavior and disrespect can lead to the movement's growth, but maybe
> I'm mistaken in thinking that we all want that growth.
> I am grateful to those who are interested in working towards an
> inclusive and non-toxic future for the free software movement. Maybe
> I'll get to work with you all someday on one of the projects that is
> interested in growing the free software movement.
> Best,
> Deb
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 5:03 PM Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> wrote:
>
> * Deb Nicholson <[1]deb@eximiousproductions.com> [2021-03-26 16:52]:
> > An interesting thing about men who harass women is that they
> usually
> > don't do it to men. Men who let the community know that they
> "don't
> > believe in harassment" are the last people to find out it's
> happening,
> > because no one feels safe telling them.
> Generalization without end.
> Why are you sending accusations to this mailing list? How is this
> mailing list to defend your rights? Or is your only purpose to
> divide
> and bring more hate here?
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:deb@eximiousproductions.com
>
>
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In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.
Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.
In our lab, theory and practice are combined:
nothing works and no one knows why. ... unknown
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Anybody else getting tired about how this kind of crap clutters up, and
destroys, otherwise useful email lists?
Doesn't matter whether one is for or against - once someone is accused
of political incorrect behavior, conversation becomes dominated by
discussions of list rules, expelling people, free speech, censorship &
anti-censorship - to the extent that all useful work gets crowded out.
Mind you, it seems like those who condemn tend to be the most insistent
& vociferous - provoking folks who see a need to defend either the
person being attacked, or the general principle of free speech.
Sigh....
Miles Fidelman
Deb Nicholson wrote:
Well, it's disappointing but not surprising that a call for improving
the way people are treated within the free software movement is being
seen by some on this list as "hateful" or somehow in "opposition to
free software." I honestly don't see how creating a haven for sexist
behavior and disrespect can lead to the movement's growth, but maybe
I'm mistaken in thinking that we all want that growth.
I am grateful to those who are interested in working towards an
inclusive and non-toxic future for the free software movement. Maybe
I'll get to work with you all someday on one of the projects that is
interested in growing the free software movement.
Best,
Deb
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 5:03 PM Jean Louis [1]<bugs@gnu.support> wrote:
* Deb Nicholson [2]<[1]deb@eximiousproductions.com> [2021-03-26 16:52]:
> An interesting thing about men who harass women is that they
usually
> don't do it to men. Men who let the community know that they
"don't
> believe in harassment" are the last people to find out it's
happening,
> because no one feels safe telling them.
Generalization without end.
Why are you sending accusations to this mailing list? How is this
mailing list to defend your rights? Or is your only purpose to
divide
and bring more hate here?
References
1. [3]mailto:deb@eximiousproductions.com
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In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.
Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.
In our lab, theory and practice are combined:
nothing works and no one knows why. ... unknown
References
1. mailto:bugs@gnu.support
2. mailto:[1]deb@eximiousproductions.com
3. mailto:deb@eximiousproductions.com
4. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
5. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-03-27 17:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-03-25 23:57 Support RMS Ali Reza Hayati
2021-03-26 0:19 ` Danny Spitzberg
2021-03-26 1:04 ` Ali Reza Hayati
2021-03-26 1:40 ` Adrienne G. Thompson
2021-03-26 3:29 ` Adrienne G. Thompson
2021-03-26 4:57 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-26 1:47 ` Steve M Bibayoff
2021-03-26 14:50 ` Ali Reza Hayati
2021-03-26 15:54 ` Aaron Wolf
2021-03-26 16:40 ` Yuchen Pei
2021-03-26 16:53 ` Aaron Wolf
2021-03-26 17:03 ` Danny Spitzberg
2021-03-27 21:27 ` quiliro
2021-03-27 21:52 ` Aaron Wolf
2021-03-26 17:05 ` Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss
2021-03-26 17:28 ` Thomas Lord
2021-03-27 19:59 ` quiliro
2021-03-27 20:19 ` Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss
2021-03-27 19:55 ` quiliro
2021-03-29 19:25 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-30 3:23 ` quiliro
2021-03-30 3:44 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-30 7:25 ` Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss
2021-03-26 17:24 ` Thomas Lord
2021-03-26 17:32 ` Danny Spitzberg
2021-03-26 17:39 ` Thomas Lord
2021-03-26 17:46 ` Danny Spitzberg
2021-03-26 17:51 ` Thomas Lord
2021-03-26 17:55 ` Danny Spitzberg
2021-03-26 17:59 ` Danny Spitzberg
2021-03-26 21:18 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-26 18:00 ` Ali Reza Hayati
2021-03-26 18:02 ` Danny Spitzberg
2021-03-26 18:06 ` Ali Reza Hayati
2021-03-26 18:09 ` Danny Spitzberg
2021-03-27 21:14 ` quiliro
2021-03-31 14:38 ` Danny Spitzberg
2021-03-31 15:19 ` Aaron Wolf
2021-03-31 17:26 ` Miles Fidelman
[not found] ` <YGSqlIc9U3D/7JMB@protected.localdomain>
2021-03-31 17:25 ` Proposals to improve FSF (was a thread about FSF union) Danny Spitzberg
2021-03-26 18:11 ` Support RMS Thomas Lord
2021-03-26 18:15 ` Danny Spitzberg
2021-03-26 18:25 ` Thomas Lord
2021-03-26 19:02 ` Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss
2021-03-27 21:13 ` quiliro
2021-03-26 21:20 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-26 21:15 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-26 21:14 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-26 21:11 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-27 2:16 ` Aaron Wolf
2021-03-27 6:20 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-26 19:52 ` Quiliro Ordóñez
2021-03-27 17:40 ` Danny Spitzberg
2021-03-29 1:35 ` quiliro
2021-03-29 19:06 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-26 20:32 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-26 4:36 ` Danny Spitzberg
2021-03-26 12:29 ` Ali Reza Hayati
2021-03-26 13:18 ` Deb Nicholson
2021-03-26 13:35 ` Yuchen Pei
2021-03-26 13:38 ` Ali Reza Hayati
2021-03-26 13:49 ` Deb Nicholson
2021-03-26 14:03 ` Ali Reza Hayati
2021-03-26 14:17 ` Deb Nicholson
2021-03-26 14:26 ` Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss
2021-03-26 14:37 ` Ali Reza Hayati
2021-03-26 20:59 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-26 23:03 ` Deb Nicholson
2021-03-26 23:20 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-26 23:59 ` Danny Spitzberg
2021-03-27 5:53 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-26 23:56 ` Miles Fidelman [this message]
2021-03-27 0:16 ` Thomas Lord
2021-03-27 0:18 ` Danny Spitzberg
2021-03-27 2:29 ` Aaron Wolf
2021-03-27 2:50 ` Thomas Lord
2021-03-27 5:47 ` Aaron Wolf
2021-03-27 5:53 ` Thomas Lord
2021-03-27 6:23 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-27 12:06 ` Robbt
2021-03-27 12:28 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-27 12:36 ` Stephen Paul Weber
2021-03-27 12:41 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-27 13:41 ` Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss
2021-03-31 21:16 ` Matt Ivie
2021-04-01 7:25 ` Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss
2021-03-26 18:44 ` Florian Snow
2021-03-26 19:28 ` Thomas Lord
2021-03-26 21:26 ` Elias Rudberg
2021-03-26 22:01 ` Florian Snow
2021-03-27 23:15 ` quiliro
2021-03-29 19:52 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-30 23:54 ` quiliro
2021-03-26 21:33 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-26 22:20 ` Florian Snow
2021-03-26 20:48 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-26 13:27 ` Robbt E
2021-03-26 20:56 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-26 20:40 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-31 20:57 ` Matt Ivie
2021-03-26 14:22 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira via libreplanet-discuss
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