From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.2 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEF571F990 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2020 13:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:59022 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k2xEz-0001lC-FW for e@80x24.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 09:44:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36562) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k2xEg-0001l0-G7 for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 09:44:10 -0400 Received: from a.siauliai.hyperbola.info ([2a02:e00:ffe7:6::1]:34722 helo=smtp.hyperbola.info) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k2xEd-0000z6-71 for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 09:44:10 -0400 Received: by smtp.hyperbola.info (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 67c9a003 (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO) auth=yes user=adfeno for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2020 13:44:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Matrix communication protocol. To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org References: <1595541394.1159.3@disroot.org> <1596039936.1150.2@disroot.org> <20200730043725.GC25289@ossguy.com> <1596125074.1189.0@disroot.org> <20200730162745.GE25289@ossguy.com> <1596138703.28021.1@disroot.org> <20200731030048.GI25289@ossguy.com> <1596185910.1161.0@disroot.org> <2E654784-A437-418F-993D-8535D29922AF@os-k.eu> <2f390373-0135-baff-0559-5d0f3ed1800d@os-k.eu> Message-ID: <0df5f56a-36bf-3ded-3957-dc3a4d152696@hyperbola.info> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 10:43:48 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2f390373-0135-baff-0559-5d0f3ed1800d@os-k.eu> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a02:e00:ffe7:6::1; envelope-from=adfeno@hyperbola.info; helo=smtp.hyperbola.info X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_FAIL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira via libreplanet-discuss Reply-To: Adonay Felipe Nogueira Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5103308683426349798==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: "libreplanet-discuss" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --===============5103308683426349798== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n1ZUfNTgLQEoyTt8svt6USx53qyqSH7Df" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --n1ZUfNTgLQEoyTt8svt6USx53qyqSH7Df Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="iF7RUVXuOMXDvXums6bNMwj4MiTc04Okf" --iF7RUVXuOMXDvXums6bNMwj4MiTc04Okf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Em 31/07/2020 16:20, Adrien Bourmault (neox on freenode) escreveu: > Matrix is a badly designed protocol (especially the s2s part) and is= Interesting, I wonder if there are references to that. > The XSF point of view is different from the Matrix/Vector one : the = XSF > is a non profit foundation, in the tracks of IETF. They made a proto= col > in the hope that it will be useful and that's it. You can't say the > same for Vector. Good point. On a not so similar subject, this seems to align with the arguments presented by Software Freedom Conservancy (SFConservancy) in regards to copyleft enforcement (almost all of their talks, including the recorded ones, present this "who best enforces copyleft?" paradigm, and all results in either individual copyright holders or these signing their contributions to one of FSF-and-sisters, SFConservancy or Software Freedom Law Center, and avoiding non-disclosure agreements, trade secrets and contributor license agreements). > of both Conversations and ChatSecure are always in touch, and are XS= F > members. There are many forks of both, and it provides additionnal Indeed, in open standards, people and projects being members of the standards committees/workgroups is a very important thing, specially if many are in favor of free/libre software or if the group itself has that commitment or is a non-profit, preferably a charity. > On mobile, there is only one functionnal Matrix client : Element. An= d > it advocates for non free software, especially Google one. The references in my previous replies to this topic also agree with you. = :) > Have you ever read RMS ? Or listen to him ? Everyone should care abo= ut > privacy, everyone should encrypt his communications. XMPP's modern > encryption (known as OMEMO) is way more secure than Olm/Megolm (beca= use > it seems Vector thought that forward secrecy was an anti-feature lol= ). That is scary indeed. > beautiful. 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