From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS3215 2.0.0.0/16 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:4830:134:3::11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78A31208CD for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:44069 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djrqR-00023e-UZ for e@80x24.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:54:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53475) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djrq2-00021s-Ld for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:54:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djrpz-0001o2-Gh for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:54:14 -0400 Received: from mx1.mailbox.org ([80.241.60.212]:52208) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djrpz-0001ms-9R for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:54:11 -0400 Received: from smtp1.mailbox.org (smtp1.mailbox.org [80.241.60.240]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.mailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9DC4436FE for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:54:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at heinlein-support.de Received: from smtp1.mailbox.org ([80.241.60.240]) by spamfilter03.heinlein-hosting.de (spamfilter03.heinlein-hosting.de [80.241.56.117]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id zVLyQdDkCyTJ for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:54:01 +0200 (CEST) To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org References: From: "txt.file" Message-ID: <01e6b3f9-93b4-c2fa-33b4-9fb8bebfd244@txtfile.eu> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:53:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 80.241.60.212 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 Subject: Re: Does VIA's x86 CPUs have non-free "ME"s? 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References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Even AMD and Intel had not always these =E2=80=9Emanagement=E2=80=9C engi= nes. If you use a cpu older than these techniques then you are probably safer. According to libreboot[0] pre-2013 AMD cpus are not know to be vulnerable= =2E en.wikipedia[1] lists which Intel cpu has which version of Intel AMT. First mentioned version is for an ethernet controller released Q2'05. The latest VIA cpus have been released in May 2011. AMD had no =E2=80=9Emanagement=E2=80=9C engine at this point in time. Intel had alre= ady a few versions of their hard-/software. So I expect all public released VIA cpus have _no_ such engine. But I have no proof. kind regards txt.file [0] https://libreboot.org/faq.html#amd [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DIntel_AMT_versions&oldid=3D7= 92147452 Pen-Yuan Hsing: > Dear Libreplanet, >=20 > As we all know, a major problem with Intel (and AMD) x86 CPUs is that > they come with a proprietary "Management Engine (ME)" (or "Platform > Security Processor" for AMD) that is not only non-free but also with > demonstrated security holes. >=20 > I just recalled that VIA Technologies also have a line of x86 CPUs [1].= > Do VIA CPUs also have the equivalent of the much-maligned ME? Or are VI= A > CPUs more freedom-respecting? Would it help software freedom at all (or= > not?) to use VIA CPUs instead? I'm curious! >=20 > [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA_Technologies#Processors >=20 > _______________________________________________ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss --mpCWKA5EdQAKX5VoF8d4ep8hq7S9pfPO1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEE1NOunmXPptEkFyWqOb+C9VkIZegFAlmbLEEACgkQOb+C9VkI Zei2vw//TQel5KWjRTcD6OECKOZy0H+klnykut7F3ncQpQY0uJt+wIed5AJ9sZn0 HlEMYDaQHS7BbUdJST/bQuAXhAQM1quQtT6ym+w7j/i2nhHpvgP2tbo5b94giEIq gdmDVIyKqouu7C8qS/ID8xZ5uQSa5XJbczAAqDv21bOvxmU4OGAHv4xdNAVYrVZx d0Cqm/rqttVy+0ADMGFAt3ik7CKCillCCFvdy6j6BB/+15QDC0GM2qN35Iu7hV4q BPZXNtM55YAhhLGP02jP3NT9kEDx95GQtKtawpt+E6FiWQ7mWK+g9A55kPQUE8bR tcB0YKLNS5FMFyq7ojYewBIMNkg1DJPEadNMfYY0DAjm4B/HDixAqmoVrEEpnOaH Oh8yJ90BcpGIzcCSQed0r7LkqlC+kUDocp7ZrKG/3Km15oW2cIdPpT1DLEXOppLa 141Gz47u8dwA6ptbK3seaiCGBf0uG1Cw/1+uJs4vbFMSY6Yy3tLyPb9LeANg71RK QDGH9hP7RQRPNVpn7ZxjhToAylNcguRKBWAJNbrJj+UGcJwfziVCWLn6q3VB9QuO GxF0HdppvTi+jEXKoNYepyGkkC/NrYd8cG0YJJu6hcBH1uvYsg+fMj08y5DX07xu G4FtNPnmFhGR6ByUKpt3G05uneV69MIc0a+d9ND/ylzTLVxBlyE= =SZD8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mpCWKA5EdQAKX5VoF8d4ep8hq7S9pfPO1-- --===============4435469402633016836== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss --===============4435469402633016836==--