From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.5 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from sourceware.org (server2.sourceware.org [8.43.85.97]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB1381F5AE for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 11:38:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server2.sourceware.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD60384402D; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 11:38:09 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org 6FD60384402D DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sourceware.org; s=default; t=1596109089; bh=ZTMGVusCv/ZSTNoZER+G4z7hN5Ba3yDpH65wafBaIYE=; h=Subject:To:References:Date:In-Reply-To:List-Id:List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe:From:Reply-To:Cc: From; b=S1iiX+KDjZQIJxPesaIkY3t5hp9SMrw14klnwiS6+YPV/Ussmqo2J06WUg9W35TN+ pxpWOrOmjrq2/+mIopSA77m2vJ6+yq5Dy/v7iRfJxlbAzHnaUpedB6UJF+SLpnae6k jd35PSLrYr9Db4TmZpJr3EcfIhaXtroxMgVTGkDc= Received: from us-smtp-delivery-1.mimecast.com (us-smtp-1.mimecast.com [207.211.31.81]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359AA3858D35 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 11:38:07 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 359AA3858D35 Received: from mail-qv1-f71.google.com (mail-qv1-f71.google.com [209.85.219.71]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-193-tXJgevqrOt--SAD3kS2T5w-1; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 07:38:05 -0400 X-MC-Unique: tXJgevqrOt--SAD3kS2T5w-1 Received: by mail-qv1-f71.google.com with SMTP id k17so4046624qvj.12 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 04:38:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZTMGVusCv/ZSTNoZER+G4z7hN5Ba3yDpH65wafBaIYE=; b=G5TGwpOYZZEZyfsRfoJAll2mOL7LIX1AcHodc0ID/etR1lGzCzZ0gzz3+9TPUoWnxY Xzy8JHxLIxlJ5hemQMQR/WcqjukNcLjECLiHv4LwaRaeYKT81h+qjK7EIJ6gBkjrFtYX eHiWN2OPHJtJu1TV3VG60Di8edI/eiuR2ZSY8v2NUB+vXcKj9H/V6T3F2TvbrPghMLk6 vaiNRUQC8hpt7Dt1l1BZSyF/KcgmF3biFe3c8UQOy8leC3S2x87UyvVSkz6BRD+lFaE9 lrr+XtK7scZnwH0MOR62xtTY/PFRwBLaTi2wcfJWrSIeTx/lqPkm9yXngLCmJ00RIx5x 1PbQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5300mgdOZZNjrqMAUnoalwxKxoO7MAeRmlb8axImOPgA10LcTUOQ O4o7VWq2s92jwIX9SX3Fob7oWm96ER5skJgre3ZXfF27AR8p35cn9Dq2WUZiTCI+mK1KqiwfCG+ 4blHqF31UtQ1bfyHjCF5V X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7b9c:: with SMTP id p28mr2463076qtu.283.1596109084550; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 04:38:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyQBR9N5/KPd8YACjNDDCygW8qxscqge6sglHY2wMjDmrqo/OXZply9Zf4IRjUryhmihi40ZQ== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7b9c:: with SMTP id p28mr2463056qtu.283.1596109084349; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 04:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.16] (198-84-214-74.cpe.teksavvy.com. [198.84.214.74]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u21sm3983141qkk.1.2020.07.30.04.38.02 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 30 Jul 2020 04:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] Replacing "master-slave" terminology for pseudoterminals To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" , "libc-alpha@sourceware.org" , linux-man , enh , Zack Weinberg References: <88273c2f-ce21-db54-688d-5bebd4a81ecd@redhat.com> Organization: Red Hat Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 07:38:02 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: libc-alpha@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Libc-alpha mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Carlos O'Donell via Libc-alpha Reply-To: Carlos O'Donell Cc: Florian Weimer , Linux API , Joseph Myers Errors-To: libc-alpha-bounces@sourceware.org Sender: "Libc-alpha" On 7/30/20 5:16 AM, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote: > I know what you mean. One reason for that verbosity is the need to > clearly distinguish "pseudoterminal device/end" from "pseudoterminal > device pair". It's hard to avoid being wordy there. The perfect is the enemy of the good. My feeling is that as others write this text in emails or discussions, we'll eventually all settle on some other short form we find agreeable and then later we can adjust the man pages to use that. Until then taking the lead to change this language is the correct way forward. -- Cheers, Carlos.