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From: Cary Coutant <ccoutant@gmail.com>
To: Mark Wielaard <mark@klomp.org>
Cc: "H.J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	 x86-64-abi <x86-64-abi@googlegroups.com>,
	Binutils <binutils@sourceware.org>,
	 GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: PT_NOTE alignment, NT_GNU_PROPERTY_TYPE_0, glibc and gold
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:02:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJimCsHSNZxG37PMj6_V4Tv2b0sNjntokn61GJSBhvdMDUPeRA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180817210524.GF8094@wildebeest.org>

>> >> But like you, I don't yet see the value of the 8-byte alignment.  We could
>> >> decide that the current gold behavior is valid, fix glibc, and move on.
>> >
>> > Right. gold seems to produce normal GNU abi ELF Notes, which should
>> > be accepted as is.
>>
>> NT_GNU_PROPERTY_TYPE_0 should stay to follow gABI.
>
> That doesn't make any sense. gABI doesn't have a concept of 32bit word
> ELF notes that are 8-byte aligned. That is just a bug in ld when it
> generates the note. It also doesn't make sense to generate GNU ELF notes
> with slightly different padding added depending on type in the same ELF
> file. That just creates confusion, causes you to define different
> alignments of notes resulting in extra PT_LOAD segments and results in
> bugs like we are discussing now where ELF note parsers fail to parse
> some (valid) notes. Lets just agree that the gold linker is correct and
> produces consistent GNU abi ELF notes. And lets just fix ld to do the same.

I thought the outcome of the old discussion on the gABI/psABI mailing
lists was that there was no value in breaking compatibility by
introducing an 8-byte aligned note section.

As it is, the psABI definition of the gnu properties note is a
definitional disaster: like a proper note, it's got three 4-byte words
(namesz, descsz, and type), followed by the name field (which happens
to be 4 bytes long in this case), then a desc field. For this note,
the desc field contains a properties array, where each property has
two 4-byte values (pr_type and pr_datasz) and a data field padded to a
multiple of 8 bytes. But it describes the properties array as an array
of 8-byte words, even though it's really composed of the two 4-byte
words and an arbitrary-length buffer (which according to the spec, is
always 8 bytes). Why an 8-byte alignment, though? It doesn't provide
any conceivable benefit.

I think gold is doing the right thing by placing the output in a
4-byte aligned note section, and combining it with other note sections
in a 4-byte aligned PT_NOTE segment.

As long as HJ is planning on breaking compatibility with his new
definition of the x86 properties [1], why not just throw it away and
do it right? Let's stop using NOTE sections for something they weren't
designed for, and instead use a special section type and segment type
(in keeping with existing models like Sun, HP, MIPS, and Arm). Why
should the loader have to go parsing everything in a generic PT_NOTE
segment anyway?

-cary

[1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/x86-64-abi/-D05GQ3kWrA/stKtIPy8DQAJ

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-21 23:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CAMe9rOrrayKnc_cPm4SmnDnUGLbBUmOYMBTMOM8KLAHVmb=rUQ@mail.gmail.com>
2018-08-16 13:00 ` PT_NOTE alignment, NT_GNU_PROPERTY_TYPE_0, glibc and gold (was: Re: [PATCH] Document GNU_PROPERTY_X86_ISA_1_[USED|NEEDED]) Florian Weimer
2018-08-16 13:19   ` H.J. Lu
2018-08-16 13:29     ` H.J. Lu
2018-08-16 13:31     ` PT_NOTE alignment, NT_GNU_PROPERTY_TYPE_0, glibc and gold Florian Weimer
2018-08-16 13:39       ` H.J. Lu
2018-08-16 14:01         ` Florian Weimer
2018-08-16 14:43           ` H.J. Lu
2018-08-16 14:21         ` Florian Weimer
2018-08-16 17:46           ` H.J. Lu
2018-08-16 19:16           ` Mark Wielaard
2018-08-16 19:36             ` H.J. Lu
2018-08-17  6:04               ` Mark Wielaard
2018-08-17  6:20             ` Florian Weimer
2018-08-17  6:41               ` Mark Wielaard
2018-08-17 15:10                 ` H.J. Lu
2018-08-17 21:05                   ` Mark Wielaard
2018-08-21 23:02                     ` Cary Coutant [this message]
2018-08-22  9:39                       ` Florian Weimer
2018-08-22 10:08                         ` Mark Wielaard
2018-08-22 23:36                         ` Cary Coutant
2018-08-24 18:39                           ` Florian Weimer
2018-08-23 14:41                         ` Michael Matz
2018-08-23 14:43                           ` Florian Weimer
2018-08-17 15:13               ` H.J. Lu
2018-09-19 19:22   ` Florian Weimer
2018-09-21 12:55     ` Michael Matz
2018-09-21 13:04       ` Florian Weimer
2018-09-26 17:39     ` Cary Coutant
2018-09-26 18:36       ` H.J. Lu

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