From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from sourceware.org (server1.sourceware.org [209.132.180.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EEE2C1F461 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:51:10 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=default; b=G9ez0FVZuf2PRTBb xF7a21+SEPSH1qCscbX9SddsrOJPrPFC1XNe2d69cZ7suWbeugFgsNKFm3sHzNyR vs7sY76IqPqENFsr4n4pFcR0mtVNf/hlO8JHOiXX3nBIpUb7/rGZakSFWC7IwZQB pNszrWPaiN117Os7IwWvCsEKGYo= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=default; bh=vby4KX6q3lgPbHDn59lWIZ UWCcw=; b=tD0QqzAj2xMHjFLrhuf5qqFrbPt3uzyN+i5BPHjLNejCsJINxXAEva Tc6//dVY8s5ybNv88QBgQ54tewN6NZdWc2kzb2RuxeYMiAFMxCe8ldLE+9zZKFJq Pe4p/SEfoEKLH0g2FKtgqmOI6w4ZkJSaOrIKSmWLm+dwp86Y7w6jY= Received: (qmail 107378 invoked by alias); 16 Jul 2019 11:51:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact libc-alpha-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: libc-alpha-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 107370 invoked by uid 89); 16 Jul 2019 11:51:08 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-HELO: cadetblue.birch.relay.mailchannels.net X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|siddhesh@gotplt.org X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|siddhesh@gotplt.org X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|siddhesh@gotplt.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Scare-Industry: 7a96cbe516c2e117_1563277864273_4213611044 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1563277864273:3110585458 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1563277864273 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=gotplt.org; h=subject:to :cc:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=gotplt.org; bh=vby4KX 6q3lgPbHDn59lWIZUWCcw=; b=dVSKWmutaYJwf6KuMfbdtm5vvxJeT77pletwEn MAt1xvi7FT8LjECZNUK5FrQHWlGK2JXCyxXiplJRDHZ1QoQIk8FNURyVI/TLqY7y GHVN5FV14cH0IWBsIWCePfjxQB11odQacEp5dz3cdz93BkpZ2K6L/uIdHK/+A4yN INuQQ= Subject: Re: Accelerating Y2038 glibc fixes To: Wolfgang Denk , libc-alpha@sourceware.org Cc: Lukasz Majewski References: <20190712072103.D3DBC24003A@gemini.denx.de> X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a46 From: Siddhesh Poyarekar Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Message-ID: <2a129837-9fe4-8f37-2b0d-2086a2f8253b@gotplt.org> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 17:20:36 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190712072103.D3DBC24003A@gemini.denx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddriedtgdegjecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefuvfhfhffkffgfgggjtgfgsehtjeertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpefuihguughhvghshhcurfhohigrrhgvkhgrrhcuoehsihguughhvghshhesghhothhplhhtrdhorhhgqeenucffohhmrghinhepohiilhgrsghsrdhorhhgnecukfhppeduvdefrddvhedvrddvtddvrddujedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopegludelvddrudeikedrtddruddtiegnpdhinhgvthepuddvfedrvdehvddrvddtvddrudejvddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthhepufhiugguhhgvshhhucfrohihrghrvghkrghruceoshhiugguhhgvshhhsehgohhtphhlthdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepshhiugguhhgvshhhsehgohhtphhlthdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepfiguseguvghngidruggvnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd Hello Wolfgang, I haven't been involved in the Y2038 issue so I cannot comment on the content or quality of the patches or the way forward in that context. However I want to assure you that we're collectively trying our best to review patches that come on the list, just that there aren't enough hands to help. glibc is a central project in the Linux ecosystem but unfortunately it's not as well staffed as other projects such as the kernel or gcc. Things have gotten much better in the last few years, but we're still short of people as many of us are doing other things alongside glibc. Hopefully someone with more context and will respond soon and help unblock things but until then, please don't lose hope, we will get there eventually! Siddhesh On 12/07/19 12:51 PM, Wolfgang Denk wrote: > See for example [1] - there are just 7 lines of "code". But Joseph > does not accept our patches. The arguments he gives are not on a > technical level; instead he says that only a native English speaker > who has a with deep understanding of glibc internals and the > previous development process will be capable to provide such a patch > in an acceptable way. > > To be honest - I think only himself would fulfill this requirement > good enough. > > But Joseph has not enough resources available, and he cannot > allocate more resources even if such efforts would be paid for by > DENX. And he does not know of anyone to help. > > In short, we are stuck, and not even proper funding can accelerate > the process - not to mention, that it's impossible to give any > deadlines at all. > > > Obviously, this is just my personal and external view - I guess I > must be missing something, because I cannot imagine that the progress > of a project that plays such a central role to the whole FOSS > community suffers from such bottlenecks, and that these cannot be > helped. > > Is there anything we can do to accelerate this process? As > mentioned, we are willing to dedicate both man-power and/or money, > if this helps. > > Thanks in advance! > > [1] https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/1114061/ > > > > Best regards, > > Wolfgang Denk >