From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E46C1F404 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2018 19:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756172AbeASTIu (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Jan 2018 14:08:50 -0500 Received: from pb-smtp2.pobox.com ([64.147.108.71]:58349 "EHLO pb-smtp2.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756030AbeASTIs (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Jan 2018 14:08:48 -0500 Received: from pb-smtp2.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C12BD53C; Fri, 19 Jan 2018 14:08:48 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=gFav7vp67kkVuW45Nc/81IvACi4=; b=LpLc62 74ZuzT9XstY4YelNNrcyvBJOt+61dSyCbdd8cKm0whtrUipZ0QH9R7xi5q72UtrH ZQG8jm9sMxtJidSV4vNiCYcsyP8uWH+JJpu8/A94NlTA+EGzguxt+HE3UmSTUzgV 9ZjnRn1h0O9H1QuWlfj9rXkJ/1l2nyzg9CMUc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=qVZESHvz98l6wD6ma8qUSV8yev7/tO+M ib3Nyj9YWi6VEug2yCu3KG9KCUX5oFD+oGP4cZ18osyIiIY3QjX7Z12HQ8WVe/bI IZOx024wRvGZZAHiP9MvtbSlDwrFtZIpCRtMxCo8gjDR1Zg9k0eWlf4z0hoPssBs 6KlBzhFzavg= Received: from pb-smtp2.nyi.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183C6BD53B; Fri, 19 Jan 2018 14:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [104.132.0.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8AA85BD539; Fri, 19 Jan 2018 14:08:47 -0500 (EST) From: Junio C Hamano To: Christoph Hellwig Cc: Linus Torvalds , Theodore Ts'o , =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason , Git Mailing List , linux-fsdevel , Chris Mason Subject: Re: [PATCH] enable core.fsyncObjectFiles by default References: <20180117184828.31816-1-hch@lst.de> <87h8rki2iu.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> <20180117235220.GD6948@thunk.org> <20180118162721.GA26078@lst.de> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 11:08:46 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20180118162721.GA26078@lst.de> (Christoph Hellwig's message of "Thu, 18 Jan 2018 17:27:21 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 2D345840-FD4C-11E7-9B1A-575F0C78B957-77302942!pb-smtp2.pobox.com Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Christoph Hellwig writes: > [adding Chris to the Cc list - this is about the awful ext3 data=ordered > behavior of syncing the whole file system data and metadata on each > fsync] > > On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 03:57:53PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 3:52 PM, Theodore Ts'o wrote: >> > >> > Well, let's be fair; this is something *ext3* got wrong, and it was >> > the default file system back them. >> >> I'm pretty sure reiserfs and btrfs did too.. > > I'm pretty sure btrfs never did, and reiserfs at least looks like > it currently doesn't but I'd have to dig into history to check if > it ever did. So..., is it fair to say that the one you sent in https://public-inbox.org/git/20180117193510.GA30657@lst.de/ is the best variant we have seen in this thread so far? I'll keep that in my inbox so that I do not forget, but I think we would want to deal with a hotfix for 2.16 on case insensitive platforms before this topic. Thanks.