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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, "Wink Saville" <wink@saville.com>,
	"Jacob Keller" <jacob.keller@gmail.com>,
	"Bryan Turner" <bturner@atlassian.com>,
	"Uwe Kleine-König" <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>,
	"Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/8] push doc: correct lies about how push refspecs work
Date: Tue, 08 May 2018 14:14:48 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqzi1alodz.fsf@gitster-ct.c.googlers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180429202100.32353-6-avarab@gmail.com> ("Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason"'s message of "Sun, 29 Apr 2018 20:20:57 +0000")

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason  <avarab@gmail.com> writes:

>  +
>  The <src> is often the name of the branch you would want to push, but
> -it can be any arbitrary "SHA-1 expression", such as `master~4` or
> -`HEAD` (see linkgit:gitrevisions[7]).
> +it can be any arbitrary "SHA-1 expression" referring to a branch, such
> +as `master~4` or `HEAD` (see linkgit:gitrevisions[7]). It can also
> +refer to tag objects, trees or blobs if the <dst> is outside of
> +`refs/heads/*`.

I think the addition of "referring to a branch" here is an opposite
of an improvement.  The fact <src> can name any object (if outside
the refs/heads/) or any commit (otherwise) is stressed with the
added "It can also ...", which is great, but neither "master~4" nor
"HEAD" refer to a branch (they refer to a commit in terms relative
to a branch and a (psuedo)ref, respectively).  And a "SHA-1 expression"
that uses branch tips as a starting point (e.g. master~4 is "start
at the tip of master and go backwards by 4 steps) is *not* special
here.  You can spell your <src> side as "v2.17.0^0" for example, and
it does not refer to any branch.

> @@ -74,12 +76,24 @@ without any `<refspec>` on the command line.  Otherwise, missing
>  `:<dst>` means to update the same ref as the `<src>`.
>  +
>  The object referenced by <src> is used to update the <dst> reference
> -on the remote side.  By default this is only allowed if <dst> is not
> -a tag (annotated or lightweight), and then only if it can fast-forward
> -<dst>.  By having the optional leading `+`, you can tell Git to update
> -the <dst> ref even if it is not allowed by default (e.g., it is not a
> -fast-forward.)  This does *not* attempt to merge <src> into <dst>.  See
> -EXAMPLES below for details.
> +on the remote side. Whether this is allowed depends on what where in

s/what where/where/, I think.

> +`refs/*` the <dst> reference lives. The `refs/heads/*` namespace will
> +only accept commit objects, and then only they can be
> +fast-forwarded. ...

Nicely clarified.  Excellent.

> +.... The `refs/tags/*` namespace will accept any kind of
> +object, but there commit objects are known as lightweight tags, and
> +any changes to them and others types of objects will be
> +rejected. ...

with s/, but there commit objects are known as lightweght tags/ the
sentence does not change any meaning?  An early part of the paragraph
made readers anticipate that they hear rules for what can go where,
and "refs/tags/ ref that point at a commit is called lightweight tag",
while it is not an incorrect statement per-se, does not belong to
these "rules".  Unless the discussing of the rules immediately
follows involves (or becomes easier to read if we use the term)
"lightweight tags", it probably is better to drop it.

> +... Finally and most confusingly, it's possible to push any type
> +of object to any namespace outside of `refs/{tags,heads}/*`, but these
> +will be treated as branches, even in the case where a tag object is
> +pushed.

I sense a confused writer, not a confusing behaviour being described
here.  If refs/poo/* is "treated as branches", because of what you
earlier said, you shouldn't be able to push a tag object in the
first place.

If refs/poo/* is meant to be lawless land where anything goes, then
saying "will be treated as branches" does not help readers.

> +... That tag object will be overwritten by another tag object (or
> +commit!) without `--force` if the new tag happens to point to a commit
> +that's a fast-forward of the commit it replaces.

If I pretend that I didn't see the "treated as branches", I fully
agree with the above description and refs/poo/* being a world
governed by random rules, and I do not think I'd be too opposed to
change it to "anything goes".  I do not think I'd be too opposed to
change it to "nothing is allowed unless forced", either, though.

> +By having the optional leading `+`, you can tell Git to update the
> +<dst> ref even if it is not allowed by its respective namespace
> +clobbering rules (e.g., it is not a fast-forward. in the case of
> +`refs/heads/*` updates) This does *not* attempt to merge <src> into
> +<dst>.  See EXAMPLES below for details.

Excellent.  

s/leading `+`/& to a refspec (or using "--force" command line option)/

Thanks.


  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-08  5:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-24 19:57 Fetching tags overwrites existing tags Wink Saville
2018-04-24 23:48 ` Jacob Keller
2018-04-25  0:52 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-04-25  1:29   ` Jacob Keller
2018-04-25  1:31   ` Wink Saville
2018-04-26 19:39     ` Wink Saville
2018-04-26 22:50       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-04-26 23:24         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-04-27 18:50           ` [RFC PATCH v2] Teach remote add the --prefix-tags option Wink Saville
2018-04-27 19:08           ` Fetching tags overwrites existing tags Wink Saville
2018-04-27 19:13             ` Bryan Turner
2018-05-04 15:56               ` Jacob Keller
2018-04-28  7:26             ` Jacob Keller
2018-04-28 18:27           ` [RFC PATCH v3] Teach remote add the --remote-tags option Wink Saville
2018-04-28 19:00             ` Wink Saville
2018-04-28 21:27               ` Wink Saville
2018-05-01 16:59           ` [RFC PATCH v4 0/3] Optional sub hierarchy for remote tags Wink Saville
2018-05-01 19:24             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-01 19:45               ` Jacob Keller
2018-05-01 20:34                 ` Wink Saville
2018-05-01 23:24                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-05-02  0:08                   ` Jacob Keller
2018-05-01 23:28               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-05-01 16:59           ` [RFC PATCH v4 1/3] Teach remote add the --remote-tags option Wink Saville
2018-05-01 18:50             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-08 10:26             ` Kaartic Sivaraam
2018-05-01 16:59           ` [RFC PATCH v4 2/3] Teach tag to list remote-tags Wink Saville
2018-05-01 16:59           ` [RFC PATCH v4 3/3] Test git remote add -f --remote-tags Wink Saville
2018-04-27 19:46 ` Fetching tags overwrites existing tags Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-04-29 20:20   ` [PATCH 0/8] "git fetch" should not clobber existing tags without --force Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-31 13:07     ` [PATCH v2 00/10] " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-13 19:22       ` [PATCH v3 0/7] Prep for " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-13 20:29         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-13 20:37           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-30 20:12         ` [PATCH v4 0/6] " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-31 20:09           ` [PATCH v5 0/9] git " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-31 20:09           ` [PATCH v5 1/9] fetch: change "branch" to "reference" in --force -h output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-31 20:09           ` [PATCH v5 2/9] push tests: make use of unused $1 in test description Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-31 21:07             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-31 22:02               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-31 20:09           ` [PATCH v5 3/9] push tests: use spaces in interpolated string Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-31 20:09           ` [PATCH v5 4/9] fetch tests: add a test for clobbering tag behavior Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-31 20:10           ` [PATCH v5 5/9] push doc: remove confusing mention of remote merger Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-31 20:10           ` [PATCH v5 6/9] push doc: move mention of "tag <tag>" later in the prose Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-31 20:10           ` [PATCH v5 7/9] push doc: correct lies about how push refspecs work Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-31 20:10           ` [PATCH v5 8/9] fetch: document local ref updates with/without --force Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-31 20:10           ` [PATCH v5 9/9] fetch: stop clobbering existing tags without --force Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-30 20:12         ` [PATCH v4 1/6] fetch: change "branch" to "reference" in --force -h output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-30 20:12         ` [PATCH v4 2/6] push tests: correct quoting in interpolated string Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-30 21:20           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-30 20:12         ` [PATCH v4 3/6] fetch tests: add a test for clobbering tag behavior Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-30 21:22           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-30 20:12         ` [PATCH v4 4/6] push doc: correct lies about how push refspecs work Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-30 21:31           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-30 22:34           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-31 16:24             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-31 16:35               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-30 20:12         ` [PATCH v4 5/6] fetch: document local ref updates with/without --force Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-30 20:12         ` [PATCH v4 6/6] fetch: stop clobbering existing tags without --force Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-30 21:43           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-13 19:22       ` [PATCH v3 1/7] fetch tests: change "Tag" test tag to "testTag" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-13 19:22       ` [PATCH v3 2/7] push tests: remove redundant 'git push' invocation Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-13 19:22       ` [PATCH v3 3/7] push tests: fix logic error in "push" test assertion Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-13 19:22       ` [PATCH v3 4/7] push tests: add more testing for forced tag pushing Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-13 19:22       ` [PATCH v3 5/7] push tests: assert re-pushing annotated tags Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-13 19:22       ` [PATCH v3 6/7] fetch tests: correct a comment "remove it" -> "remove them" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-13 19:22       ` [PATCH v3 7/7] pull doc: fix a long-standing grammar error Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-31 13:07     ` [PATCH v2 01/10] fetch tests: change "Tag" test tag to "testTag" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-31 13:07     ` [PATCH v2 02/10] push tests: remove redundant 'git push' invocation Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-31 13:07     ` [PATCH v2 03/10] push tests: fix logic error in "push" test assertion Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-31 13:07     ` [PATCH v2 04/10] push tests: add more testing for forced tag pushing Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-31 13:07     ` [PATCH v2 05/10] push tests: assert re-pushing annotated tags Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-31 13:07     ` [PATCH v2 06/10] push doc: correct lies about how push refspecs work Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-31 17:40       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-30 14:52         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-30 15:23           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-30 16:59             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-31 13:07     ` [PATCH v2 07/10] fetch tests: correct a comment "remove it" -> "remove them" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-31 13:07     ` [PATCH v2 08/10] fetch tests: add a test clobbering tag behavior Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-31 17:48       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-31 13:07     ` [PATCH v2 09/10] pull doc: fix a long-standing grammar error Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-31 13:07     ` [PATCH v2 10/10] fetch: stop clobbering existing tags without --force Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-31 18:03       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-04-29 20:20   ` [PATCH 1/8] push tests: remove redundant 'git push' invocation Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-04-29 20:20   ` [PATCH 2/8] push tests: fix logic error in "push" test assertion Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-04-29 20:20   ` [PATCH 3/8] push tests: add more testing for forced tag pushing Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-07 10:09     ` Kaartic Sivaraam
2018-05-08  2:35     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-05-08  3:19       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-05-08  9:52         ` Kaartic Sivaraam
2018-05-08 10:19     ` Kaartic Sivaraam
2018-04-29 20:20   ` [PATCH 4/8] push tests: assert re-pushing annotated tags Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-08  4:30     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-05-08 14:05     ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-04-29 20:20   ` [PATCH 5/8] push doc: correct lies about how push refspecs work Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-08  5:14     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2018-04-29 20:20   ` [PATCH 6/8] fetch tests: correct a comment "remove it" -> "remove them" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-04-29 20:20   ` [PATCH 7/8] fetch tests: add a test clobbering tag behavior Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-04-29 20:21   ` [PATCH 8/8] fetch: stop clobbering existing tags without --force Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-08  5:37     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-05-01 17:11 ` Fetching tags overwrites existing tags Wink Saville

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