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From: Junio C Hamano <>
To: "SZEDER Gábor" <>
Cc: Stefan Beller <>, Jeff King <>,,
Subject: Re: New semantic patches vs. in-flight topics [was: Re: [PATCH 00/19] Bring more repository handles into our code base]
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 07:49:45 +0900	[thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: <> ("SZEDER =?utf-8?Q?G?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A1bor=22's?= message of "Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:39:35 +0200")

SZEDER Gábor <> writes:

> I don't really like how this or the previous RFC patch series deal
> with semantic patches (or how some past patch series dealt with them,
> for that matter), for various reasons:
> ...
> How about introducing the concept of "pending" semantic patches,
> stored in 'contrib/coccinelle/<name>.pending.cocci' files, modifying
> 'make coccicheck' to skip them, and adding the new 'make
> coccicheck-pending' target to make it convenient to apply them, e.g.
> something like the simple patch at the end.
> So the process would go something like this:
>   - A new semantic patch should be added as "pending", e.g. to the
>     file 'the_repository.pending.cocci', together with the resulting
>     transformations in the same commit.
>     This way neither 'make coccicheck' nor the static analysis build
>     job would complain in the topic branch or in the two integration
>     branches.  And if they do complain, then we would know right away
>     that they complain because of a well-established semantic patch.
>     Yet, anyone interested could run 'make coccicheck-pending' to see
>     where are we heading.
>   - The author of the "pending" semanting patch should then keep an
>     eye on already cooking topics: whether any of them contain new
>     code that should be transformed, and how they progress to
>     'master', and sending followup patch(es) with the remaining
>     transformations when applicable.
>     Futhermore, the author should also pay attention to any new topics
>     that branch off after the "pending" semantic patch, and whether
>     any of them introduce code to be transformed, warning their
>     authors as necessary.
>   - Finally, after all the dust settled, the dev should follow up with
>     a patch to:
>       - promote the "penging" patch to '<name>.cocci', if its purpose
>         is to avoid undesirable code patterns in the future, or
>       - remove the semantic patch, if it was used in a one-off
>         transformation.
> ...
> Thoughts?

I actually think this round does a far nicer job playing well with
other topics than any earlier series.  The pain you are observing I
think come primarily from my not making the best use of these

Steppng back a bit, I'd imagine in an ideal world where "make
coccicheck" can be done instantaneously _and_ the spatch machinery
is just as reliable as C compilers.  In such a world, I may rename
all the *.c files in my tree to *, make the very first step of
the "make all" to run coccicheck and transform * to *.c before
starting the compilation.  There is no need to have changes to
* that spatch would fix.  Such an idealized set-up has a few
nice property.

 - Mechanical conflict resolutions between topics in flight and a
   series that modifies or adds new .cocci rules would greatly be

 - Still, *.c files that are "compiled" from * file used by
   each build will by definition cocci-clean.

 - Bugs like the one that required 6afedba8 ("object_id.cocci: match
   only expressions of type 'struct object_id'", 2018-10-15) are
   still possible, but some of them may be caught by C compilers
   that inspect the result of spatch compilation from * to *.c

Now we do not live in that ideal world and there is no separate
"turn * into *.c" step in our build procedure.  In such a
"real" world, if we had a rule like "each individual commit must
pass 'make coccicheck' cleanly", anybody who does such a merge and
resolve huge conflics would essentially be wasting time on something
that the tool could do, and then the result of the merge would
further need to be amended for semantic conflicts (i.e. the other
branch may have introduced new instances of old pattern .cocci
patches in our branch would want to transform)).  By not insisting
on cocci-cleanness at each commit level, we can gain (or at least
sumulate gaining) some benefit that we would reap in the ideal
world, and Stefan's latest series already does so for the former.
If we insisted that these patches must be accompanied with the
result of the cocci transformations, such a series will have zero
chance of landing in 'pu', unless we freeze the world.

What I _could_ do (and what I did do only for one round of pushing
out 'pu') is to queue a coccinelle transformation at the tip of
integration branches.  If "make coccicheck" ran in subsecond, I
could even automate it in the script that is used to rebuild 'pu'
every day, so that after merging each and every topic, do the "make
coccicheck" and apply resulting .cocci.patch files and squash that
into the merge commit.

But with the current "make coccicheck" performance, that is not

I am wondering if it is feasible to do it at the tip of 'pu' (which
is rebuilt two to three times a day), 'next' (which is updated once
or twice a week) and 'master'.

I find that your "pending" idea may be nicer, as it distributes the
load.  Whoever wants to change the world order by updating the .cocci
rules is primarily responsible for making it happen without breaking
the world during the transition.  That's more scalable.

But at some point in the ideal future, it may turn out that it is
making the process scalable by distributing a task that does not
have to be done by any human, not by the integrator or by individual
developer---but the new compilation step from * to *.c should
be able to do.  We obviously are not there yet, so...

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-10-22 22:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-16 23:35 [PATCH 00/19] Bring more repository handles into our code base Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 01/19] sha1_file: allow read_object to read objects in arbitrary repositories Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 02/19] packfile: allow has_packed_and_bad to handle " Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 03/19] object-store: allow read_object_file_extended to read from " Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 04/19] object-store: prepare read_object_file to deal with " Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 05/19] object-store: prepare has_{sha1, object}_file[_with_flags] to handle " Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 06/19] object: parse_object to honor its repository argument Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 07/19] commit: allow parse_commit* to handle arbitrary repositories Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 08/19] commit-reach.c: allow paint_down_to_common " Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 09/19] commit-reach.c: allow merge_bases_many " Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 10/19] commit-reach.c: allow remove_redundant " Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 11/19] commit-reach.c: allow get_merge_bases_many_0 " Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 12/19] commit-reach: prepare get_merge_bases " Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 13/19] commit-reach: prepare in_merge_bases[_many] " Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 14/19] commit: prepare get_commit_buffer " Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 15/19] commit: prepare repo_unuse_commit_buffer " Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 16/19] commit: prepare logmsg_reencode " Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 17/19] pretty: prepare format_commit_message " Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 18/19] submodule: use submodule repos for object lookup Stefan Beller
2018-10-19 20:37   ` Jonathan Tan
2018-10-25  9:14   ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-10-31 13:38   ` Derrick Stolee
2018-11-01 19:13     ` Stefan Beller
2018-10-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 19/19] submodule: don't add submodule as odb for push Stefan Beller
2018-10-19 20:39   ` Jonathan Tan
2018-10-17 12:41 ` [PATCH 00/19] Bring more repository handles into our code base Derrick Stolee
2018-10-17 17:53   ` Stefan Beller
2018-10-18 18:37     ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] Bring the_repository into cmd_foo Stefan Beller
2018-10-18 18:37       ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] repository: have get_the_repository() to remove the_repository dependency Stefan Beller
2018-10-18 18:37       ` [RFC PATCH 2/2 (BREAKS BUILD)] builtin/merge-base.c: do not rely on the_repository any more Stefan Beller
2018-10-18 21:01       ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] Bring the_repository into cmd_foo Jonathan Tan
2018-10-18 23:23         ` Stefan Beller
2018-10-19  7:23 ` [PATCH 00/19] Bring more repository handles into our code base Junio C Hamano
2018-10-22 17:39 ` New semantic patches vs. in-flight topics [was: Re: [PATCH 00/19] Bring more repository handles into our code base] SZEDER Gábor
2018-10-22 18:54   ` Stefan Beller
2018-10-25  1:59     ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-10-25 19:25       ` Stefan Beller
2018-10-22 22:49   ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2018-10-23  0:26     ` Stefan Beller
2018-10-23  4:24       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-23  9:38     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-23 10:15       ` Carlo Arenas
2018-10-23 10:21         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-23 17:30       ` Stefan Beller
2018-10-24  1:22         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-25  5:39   ` Jeff King

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