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From: Junio C Hamano <>
To: "Dave Huseby" <>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] doc: writing down Git mailing list etiquette
Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 09:20:15 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqy2cjcwn4.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <> (Dave Huseby's message of "Wed, 12 May 2021 16:34:12 -0700")

Dave Huseby <> writes:

>  Documentation/MailingListEtiquette.txt | 93 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  Documentation/SubmittingPatches        | 74 +++++++++++++++++++-
>  2 files changed, 166 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>  create mode 100644 Documentation/MailingListEtiquette.txt

I've read this version over, and did not find much that is
objectionable, but as some others said on the previous round, there
may be overlaps and repetitions we'd rather get rid of.  We should
be able to cover discussions around patches in the SubmittingPatches
document without introducing a new document, so all that remains is
what to do with non-patch discussions.  I suspect that it might even
be sufficient to (1) taylor descriptions introduced in this patch
for discussions around patches and reviews, and add it as a new
section to SubmittingPatches and (2) mention that the same principle
applies to non-patch communication in the same section as a sidenote
but obviously others may disagree.

Ævar, you also have some updates to SubmittingPatches in flight.

Can I ask you to work with Dave to figure out how well this update
fits in the entire picture as a stakeholder to the document (i.e.
not as "the guilty party who is involved in conflicts", but as
"somebody who has been long enough to be qualified to guide the
evolution of the document, and obviously is interested in improving
the document")?


> diff --git a/Documentation/MailingListEtiquette.txt b/Documentation/MailingListEtiquette.txt
> new file mode 100644
> index 0000000000..8a383f81a8
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/Documentation/MailingListEtiquette.txt
> @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@
> +Mailing List Etiquette
> +======================
> +
> +[[introduction]]
> +== Introduction
> +
> +The Git project uses a mailing list and email to coordinate development and
> +submit patches. Many other open source projects use web-based forums and pull
> +requests (PRs) to achieve the same thing. This article focuses entirely on the
> +Git project and the etiquette and unspoken rules that have developed over the
> +years. What follows are best practices and suggestions for the "proper" way to
> +interact via email on the Git mailing list.
> +
> +If you are looking for details on how to submit a patch, that is documented
> +elsewhere in:
> +
> +- `Documentation/SubmittingPatches`
> +- `Documentation/MyFirstContribution.txt`
> +
> +[[proper-use-of-to-and-cc]]
> +== Proper Use of To and Cc
> +
> +The "To:" field is the place to list the people you want to directly interact
> +with and request responses from and the "Cc:" field is for other people that
> +you wish to inform of this conversation. Everybody is welcome to chime in on
> +the thread. When there is no particular person you wish to talk to, the mailing
> +list address is a good catch-all addres to reach everybody and should be put in
> +the "To:" field.
> +
> +When replying to an email on the mailing list, put the person you are replying
> +to in the "To:" field and all other people in the thread in the "Cc:" field,
> +including the mailing list address.
> +
> +The motivation for the above suggestions is to allow recipients to prioritize
> +their incoming messages; they can direct their immediate attention to those
> +messages with their names on the "To:" field and the ones with their names on
> +the "Cc:" field can wait.
> +
> +Make sure to keep everyone involved in the "Cc:" field so that they do not have
> +to be subscribed to the mailing list to receive replies.
> +
> +[[proper-use-of-subject]]
> +== Proper Use of the Subject
> +
> +When replying to an email on the list, make sure that the subject of the
> +original email is the subject of your email with "Re:" added to it. So if
> +you reply to an email with subject "first post", the subject of your email
> +should be "Re: first post".
> +
> +Sometimes email threads diverge into other threads about related, but distinct
> +topics. In those cases, the subject like should change to the new topic and
> +include in parenthesis "(Was: <original thread subject>)". So for instance,
> +if a side thread is created from the "first post" thread example, the subject
> +line should be something like "second post (was: first post)" with replies
> +having the subject "Re: second post (was: first post)".
> +
> +[[use-interleaved-style]]
> +== Use Interleaved Style in Replies
> +
> +> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> +> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> +> A: Top-posting.
> +> Q: What is the most annoying thing in email?
> +
> +When replying to emails, use interleaved style which is also sometimes called
> +an "inline reply". This creates a natural flow for the reader of the reply. They
> +can easily see what the context for the reply is. Also leave only the context
> +that is important for your reply and delete the rest.
> +
> +[[do-not-use-mail-followup-to]]
> +== Do Not Use Mail-Followup-To
> +
> +When posting to the mailing list, your email client might add a
> +"Mail-Followup-To:" field containing all of the recipients, including the
> +mailing list address, but not the sender's email address. This is intended to
> +prevent the sender from receiving replies twice, once from the replying person
> +and again from the mailing list.
> +
> +This goes directly against the desired "To:" and "Cc:" etiquette (see "Proper
> +Use of To and Cc" above) because "Reply to all"/"group reply" will redirect the
> +response to all of the people in the original "Cc:" field instead of going to
> +the person who sent the message being responded to.
> +
> +Some email clients, such as Mutt (see Disable Mail-Followup-To in the Mutt
> +section below) are configured by default to add "Mail-Followup-To:" fields and
> +to honor existing "Mail-Followup-To:" fields. It is best to disable both.
> +
> +[[enable-plain-text-mode]]
> +== Enable Plain Text Mode
> +
> +The Git mailing list software rejects email sent in text/html format. It is
> +important that your email client is set to create text/plain emails to ensure
> +delivery.
> diff --git a/Documentation/SubmittingPatches b/Documentation/SubmittingPatches
> index 55287d72e0..4f8b9f24ee 100644
> --- a/Documentation/SubmittingPatches
> +++ b/Documentation/SubmittingPatches
> @@ -433,7 +433,7 @@ help you find out who they are.
>  In any time between the (2)-(3) cycle, the maintainer may pick it up
>  from the list and queue it to `seen`, in order to make it easier for
> -people play with it without having to pick up and apply the patch to
> +people to play with it without having to pick up and apply the patch to
>  their trees themselves.
>  [[patch-status]]
> @@ -450,6 +450,46 @@ their trees themselves.
>    entitled "What's cooking in git.git" and "What's in git.git" giving
>    the status of various proposed changes.
> +[[patches-that-receive-no-response]]
> +== Patches that Receive No Response
> +
> +If you sent a patch and you did not hear any response from anybody for
> +several days, it could be that your patch was totally uninteresting,
> +but it also is possible that it was simply lost in the noise.  Please
> +do not hesitate to send a reminder message in such a case.  Messages
> +getting lost in the noise may be a sign that those who can evaluate
> +your patch don't have enough mental/time bandwidth to process them
> +right at the moment, and it often helps to wait until the list traffic
> +becomes calmer before sending such a reminder.
> +
> +Alternatives to sending direct reminders are:
> +
> +* Wait for the next "What's cooking in git.git" email to see if your patch
> +  series was mentioned and replying to that email with a note pointing out that
> +  your patch series has been overlooked.
> +
> +* Attend the weekly "stand-up" meeting held in the "#git-devel" channel on
> + and bring it up then.
> +
> +[[send-merge-ready-patches-to-the-maintainer]]
> +== Send Merge-Ready Patches to the Maintainer
> +
> +Once a patch has achieved consensus and all stakeholders are satisfied and
> +everything is ready for merging, you have two main options for getting your
> +patch noticed by the maintainer.
> +
> +1. Submit a new, final, version of the patch with an accurate list of commit
> +   trailers. Make this submission "To:" the maintainer, "In-Reply-To:" the
> +   previous version of the patch, and add everybody concerned, including the
> +   mailing list address to the "Cc:" field. This is a nice way to reduce the
> +   amount of work the maintainer must do to merge the patch while also getting
> +   their attention.
> +
> +2. Creating a "group reply"/"Reply to all" email to the latest patch series
> +   with the maintainer in the "To:" field. This is sometimes referred to as a
> +   "review ping" email and is appropriate if the patch requires no more work
> +   and is in its final state with an accurate list of commit trailers.
> +
>  [[travis]]
>  == GitHub-Travis CI hints
> @@ -510,6 +550,38 @@ first patch.\n", if you really want to put in the patch e-mail,
>  should come after the three-dash line that signals the end of the
>  commit message.
> +=== Mutt
> +
> +[[known-mailing-lists]]
> +==== Known Mailing Lists
> +
> +Mutt has the ability to change its behavior when replying to a mailing list. You
> +must specify mailing list addresses using the `subscribe` keyword in your Mutt
> +configuration:
> +
> +**~/.muttrc:**
> +```
> +# tell Mutt about the Git mailing list
> +subscribe
> +```
> +
> +[[disable-mail-followup-to]]
> +==== Disable Mail-Followup-To
> +
> +By default, when replying to mailing lists, Mutt automatically generates
> +"Mail-Followup-To:" fields. To fix this, disable the generation of the field
> +in your Mutt configuration. It is also a good idea to disable honoring any
> +"Mail-Followup-To:" field so that your "group reply" operations are correctly
> +addressed.
> +
> +**~/.muttrc:**
> +```
> +# disable Mail-Followup-To header
> +unset followup_to
> +
> +# disable honoring Mail-Followup-To header
> +unset honor_followup_to
> +```
>  === Pine

  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-13  0:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-12  2:54 [PATCH v1] Writing down mail list etiquette Dave Huseby
2021-05-12  2:57 ` Dave Huseby
2021-05-12  6:25   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12  3:18 ` Dave Huseby
2021-05-12  3:18   ` [PATCH v2] Writing down mail list etiquette Dave Huseby
2021-05-12  4:07     ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-05-12  6:45       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12  7:35         ` Eric Sunshine
2021-05-12  8:32           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12 14:36           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-12  4:46     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-12  8:45     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-05-12 23:34     ` [PATCH v3] doc: writing down Git mailing " Dave Huseby
2021-05-13  0:20       ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2021-05-13 17:17         ` Dave Huseby
2021-05-13 20:04           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-13 21:11           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-13  4:06       ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-05-13  6:34       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-13  7:01       ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-06-09 17:36       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-18 20:43         ` Dave Huseby
2021-06-18 23:48           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12 15:28   ` and... Re: [PATCH v1] Writing down mail " Philip Oakley
2021-05-12  6:21 ` Felipe Contreras

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